If the following were true Molly, we could come to a meeting of the minds on the topic today. "…I do not step into one of your conversations (arguments might be a better word for you) and insinuate less than civil or adult behavior…”
And, you are correct in that on occasion gabby gets her 'eye' on the truth...the above included. What you call 'pulling them out' as well as personal criticism, the above included, all too often is cleverly veiled Argument by Poetic Language at best and Argument by Emotive Language at worst. I saw what could have been an unnecessary battle and attempted levity to defuse it, one possible method. Others are available. So, ‘leadership’ remains intact. ‘Tintilation’ was nowhere to be found in my psyche in this case….although clearly it was to be found. I make no claim to moral purity nor purity of style when it comes to my posting. I don’t think any other of the moderators do either. We simply call ‘em as we see ‘em….you included. Since I was ‘called out’ in a public way, I respond in like manner. Perhaps a back channel between us would help to pacify the situation. I don’t know. I know that I start with my biases, however I will chat w/you one on one unless/until it becomes fruitless. Fire when ready! On Oct 1, 5:21 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > Orn, I do not step into one of your conversations (arguments might be > a better word for you) and insinuate less than civil or adult > behavior. I will here, publicly, ask you to stop this kind of > ridicule that you find necessary to heap on me. Gabby can be obscure > in her posts and has also been known to troll, but often has salient > points and interesting ideas. I like to try to draw them out when she > addresses me directly. I find your comments to be piling on and > more in the line of trolling than any constructive leadership. Your > comment, if any, would be considered outside the guidelines, so stop > it. Your image of two women physically fighting might be funny or > tintilating to you, but I find it offensive and demeaning. Man up, > Orn, and if you can't lead as a moderator, give it up. > > Any further discussion here, I think, should be offline between > moderators. > > On Oct 1, 2:17 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Very dismissive Molly. You two go right ahead, just no hair pulling! > > > On Sep 30, 3:58 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > very patronizing, Orn. If gabby has an interpretation of the Blake > > > quote, I would like to hear it. > > > > On Sep 30, 6:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Here endith the ‘tis’, ‘tisn’t’ debate, OK “girls”? > > > > > On Sep 30, 2:43 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > No, do you? > > > > > > On Sep 30, 4:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Do you need a fresh-up on twin tower experiences that you come up > > > > > > with > > > > > > this very loose interpretation of poor old Blakey? > > > > > > > On 30 Sep., 21:09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > William Blake: > > > > > > > > 'Then those in Great Eternity who contemplate on Death > > > > > > > Said thus. What seems to Be: Is: To those to whom > > > > > > > It seems to Be, & is productive of the most dreadful > > > > > > > Consequences to those to whom it seems to Be" > > > > > > > > Contemplating on death is seeing the limitation in your > > > > > > > experience. A > > > > > > > focus on the dreadful consequences becomes the experience of > > > > > > > those to > > > > > > > whom it seems to be. Seeing the eternal life removes the limits. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > dreadful consequences are no longer central to the experience. > > > > > > > > On Sep 30, 11:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Axis of evil" is a term coined by United States President > > > > > > > > George W. > > > > > > > > Bush in his State of the Union Address on January 29, 2002 in > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > describe governments that he accused of helping terrorism and > > > > > > > > seeking > > > > > > > > weapons of mass destruction. President Bush named Iran, Iraq > > > > > > > > and North > > > > > > > > Korea in his speech. President Bush's presidency was marked by > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > notion as a justification for the War on Terror. > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil > > > > > > > > > On Sep 30, 10:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well in that line of reasoning we could simply say that there > > > > > > > > > must be > > > > > > > > > a creator of God and of that creator as well, setting off an > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > series of the creator's creators. We know of the universe, > > > > > > > > > of vacuums > > > > > > > > > and phenomena. We see, utilize, experience and understand > > > > > > > > > much of it > > > > > > > > > and perhaps within the nothingness there is the consciousness > > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > all things. However, all things did not come with books to > > > > > > > > > tell us > > > > > > > > > that they are because they are simply there, before books. > > > > > > > > > Lightning > > > > > > > > > and thunder are there but it is the book that told people > > > > > > > > > what the > > > > > > > > > lightning and thunder were, not by science but by simple > > > > > > > > > rationale, > > > > > > > > > naive reasoning and superstitious fears. I can understand if > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > belief is that God is the essence of all things, of all life, > > > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > just don't subscribe to books written by the ancients that > > > > > > > > > conjure > > > > > > > > > fear, promote discrimination, justify torture, and literally > > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > humanity to audaciously claim divinity and creation in the > > > > > > > > > image of > > > > > > > > > God . The stories and the history of it all is absurd and > > > > > > > > > ludicrous. > > > > > > > > > Sure there is some insightful biblical content but Gibran's > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > Prophet and others are as well. We could read Aristotle, > > > > > > > > > Plato, > > > > > > > > > Ghandi and others and get some degree of enlightenment. You > > > > > > > > > expect me > > > > > > > > > to believe that only those desert/cave dwellers were capable > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > writing something that could be considered the word of God, > > > > > > > > > what are > > > > > > > > > we today a bunch of morons, or were they? To think that I > > > > > > > > > can't have > > > > > > > > > a happy life full of richness and reward unless I believe in > > > > > > > > > the bible > > > > > > > > > is, to me, ridiculous. Why people waste their time with it > > > > > > > > > instead of > > > > > > > > > getting down to the business of living is beyond > > > > > > > > > comprehension. In my > > > > > > > > > view more time has be wasted and often progress stifled by the > > > > > > > > > conflicts surrounding these beliefs. Look at all the > > > > > > > > > countries that > > > > > > > > > are polarized by all this religious nonsense. Religion may > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > served a purpose when the land was in chaos as it brought > > > > > > > > > some sense > > > > > > > > > of direction and a semblance of order, but then again the > > > > > > > > > preachings > > > > > > > > > of Peter of celibacy caused a great uproar among the > > > > > > > > > aristocracy of > > > > > > > > > the time and caused his crucifixion, upside down I might add, > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > then only if the story is true and maybe he should had > > > > > > > > > remembered the > > > > > > > > > commandment, "be fruitful, multiply and fill the earth". In > > > > > > > > > today's > > > > > > > > > world I find religion to be simply a huge nuisance and a > > > > > > > > > barrier to > > > > > > > > > humanity's progress. How many wars are currently in > > > > > > > > > engagement on > > > > > > > > > account of religion? How much death, pain and suffering can > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > attribute to these archaic beliefs? Bush claimed the God > > > > > > > > > wanted him > > > > > > > > > to be president and then bombed the hell out of Iraq, killing > > > > > > > > > thousands. He claimed an "axis of evil" and what basis of > > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > would lead one to conclude that? If we could just address > > > > > > > > > the needs > > > > > > > > > of the world, find ways of living that benefit all then we > > > > > > > > > might see > > > > > > > > > the end of religious persecution and separatism. Please note > > > > > > > > > I'm not > > > > > > > > > angry about any of it, I'm glad I'm free of it all and I'm > > > > > > > > > having a > > > > > > > > > wonderful day. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 30, 8:52 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It turns out that energy is not a conserved quantity in > > > > > > > > > > physics. That > > > > > > > > > > is just a local phenomena. See General Relativity by Wald. > > > > > > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > > amazed to read it but apparently its as true as the latest > > > > > > > > > > physics. > > > > > > > > > > > You say "energy is" but where is god? > > > > > > > > > > > There are many things that are besides energy no? And none > > > > > > > > > > of them are > > > > > > > > > > the reason that they are. Why is energy so special? > > > > > > > > > > Anything that is > > > > > > > > > > not the reason for its existence must rely on some other > > > > > > > > > > principle to > > > > > > > > > > distinguish it from the non-existing. You said. "Energy > > > > > > > > > > is". If I say > > > > > > > > > > that means it "has being" would you agree? And wouldn't you > > > > > > > > > > also agree > > > > > > > > > > that the fact that it is, is not energy? The fact that it > > > > > > > > > > is is > > > > > > > > > > being, right? Color is. And color is not the reason that > > > > > > > > > > color is. The > > > > > > > > > > fact that color is, is because it is, not because it has > > > > > > > > > > color. So > > > > > > > > > > again, just like energy, the fact that color is is because > > > > > > > > > > of being. > > > > > > > > > > Being is not color. And by becoming aware of the meaning of > > > > > > > > > > that term > > > > > > > > > > and distinction you can unlock the meaning of a lot of the > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > literature which is not literal nor a physical description. > > > > > > > > > > > You say "Where is God"? Need God be somewhere to be? Take > > > > > > > > > > the fact > > > > > > > > > > that 1 + 1 = 2 in the usual mathematics. Now that is a fact > > > > > > > > > > and that > > > > > > > > > > means that that fact is. Where is that fact? Look at > > > > > > > > > > history. Where is > > > > > > > > > > it? Does history reside in some place? Only spacial objects > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > locations. In fact the meaning of an object is inherently > > > > > > > > > > related to > > > > > > > > > > the space it occupies. The meaning of the term object, and > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > completely confused by it, is why many people cannot > > > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > religion and ask questions like: Where is god? God isn't > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, or > > > > > > > > > > if you prefer God is everywhere (and beyond). God is not > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > that can be in a given place and not in others. Outside of > > > > > > > > > > any thing - > > > > > > > > > > by definition - is that which "is not" the thing. But > > > > > > > > > > outside of God > > > > > > > > > > there is. In fact even nothing is not outside of god. Take > > > > > > > > > > a good look > > > > > > > > > > at a vacuum... and I am not refering to the vacuum energy > > > > > > > > > > but a true > > > > > > > > > > zero energy vacuum... that is basically - by definition - > > > > > > > > > > nothing. Do > > > > > > > > > > you really think a vacuum isn't? It has properties. So even > > > > > > > > > > a vacuum, > > > > > > > > > > assuming one could realize it, "is" nothing and is > > > > > > > > > > therefore created > > > > > > > > > > by God. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:44 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it matter in the case of energy, it is there, > > > > > > > > > > > we have > > > > > > > > > > > harnessed much of it and discovered many new energies. > > > > > > > > > > > Energy is, > > > > > > > > > > > where is God? > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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