whoops, that should have been clever, not cleaver.  Oh Freud, you've
done it again....

On Oct 5, 8:08 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Popular shows (according to the ratings industry) sell advertising.
> To look at why violence in our entertainment industry is popular you
> need to look to human psychology.  We are taken to a process of
> completion when we watch a show that includes violence and the story
> has a beginning and an end.  We, on more subtle levels, as we follow
> along also express the violence within us in acceptable ways.  The
> mainstream or majority of the bell curve of us wrestle with
> oppositional feelings and suppress violent tendencies so that they
> come out in, if we are cleaver, more and more subtle ways, through
> interpersonal violence, bullying and manipulation.  Violence in media
> is attractive to many of us because it illustrates those parts of us
> we are taught to look away from.
>
> Now the Tipper Gore questions of, at what point does the violence
> begin to breed more violence, or influence us to act in violent ways,
> or lead us to believe that violence is acceptable, or introduce our
> children to violence are very good questions.  But they do not negate
> the fact that violence in our media is simply a reflection of our
> collective violent nature.
>
> Better questions may be:  Why are we hooked on opposition? Why does
> our need for opposition express in violent terms?  Why can't we see
> this tendency in ourselves or its effects on those around us when we
> express it?  How can we reconcile the opposition within us without
> violence?  What prevents us from understanding the more subtle
> expressions of interpersonal violence in our daily lives?
>
> On Oct 5, 5:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I know the answer to that one Slip.  If advertising did not work, then
> > there would be none.  Do you suggest then that violence on TV is
> > tantamount to selling violence to the masses?
>
> > What does that say about that bloody ballroom dancing show that seems
> > ohhh so very popular at the moment?
>
> > On 1 Oct, 17:33, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > “…Can it be said that portrayals of good morality as seen on any
> > > amount of TV programes with a moral message to convey, has induced in
> > > mankind a good morality? I do not think so.  So why imagine that
> > > portrayals of bad morality from the same source has any effect
> > > either?” – lee
>
> > > Lee, while in many ways I agree with you, on the other hand, it
> > > clearly appears to me that TV has one purpose in the US, to sell. And,
> > > we are all well aware of how much money passes from hand to hand in
> > > the process of advertising. I question whether this would occur if
> > > there was no result. What do you think?
>
> > > On Oct 1, 7:59 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I think I see differantly form you there Slip!
>
> > > > Can it be said that portrayals of good morality as seen on any amount
> > > > of TV programes with a moral message to convey, has induced in mankind
> > > > a good morality?
>
> > > > I do not think so.  So why imagine that portrayals of bad morality
> > > > from the same source has any effect either?
>
> > > > On 28 Sep, 21:14, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/video_derrion_albert
>
> > > > > In the past it would seem, in some abstract way, understandable as
> > > > > cultures had conflict in establishing rule or territorial
> > > > > acquisitions.  Today it is hard to understand in the context of a
> > > > > civilized nation.  I see in the video a primitive sort of behavior,
> > > > > unwarranted and inexcusable.  This is murder, violence at it's peak,
> > > > > street violence not different than that of any jungle warfare.
> > > > > I also see a tendency in youth of becoming numb to the concept of
> > > > > violence as a result of years of exposure by various forms of what is
> > > > > oddly enough called entertainment.
> > > > > Is violence pushed on society like cigarettes and alcohol?  Should we
> > > > > continue to allow portrayals of violence on the screen because
> > > > > violence exists?  I don't understand why they are making movies and
> > > > > television series based on despicable characterization, it's almost
> > > > > like glorifying the behavior, setting up role models for dummies to
> > > > > identify with.  We have lost our sense of abhorrence towards this
> > > > > behavior and are heading in the wrong direction as a society?
> > > > > I'm not sure that we will ever be able to weed out the violent
> > > > > behavior that is inherent in our species.
> > > > > What do you see?- Hide quoted text -
>
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