Wow Slip, I ....think...I agree with....you! *confused*
On 5 Oct, 15:56, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leave it to Cleaver! lol
>
> To address the whole of it I would say the same as in another thread,
> peoples minds are up for grabs. I can't say that it is all about
> identity issues but there seems to be a degree of self representation
> in what people absorb from the external. The advertising industry
> knows this very well and promotes products in a way that bolsters the
> human ego. From the big truck to the elitist mustard the sell is
> based on that simple appeal.
> As far as television and movies I do believe that they have an affect
> on society. The presentations on the tube or screen are no better
> than the people in control of the industry, which as we all know
> doesn't run high in the ethics and morals department. Either way the
> offerings of non violent role model presentations are next to none.
> There have been many studies that show how young children act out
> violently after watching a movie containing violence.
>
> Excerpt:
> Societal influences help foment violent behavior. The images that
> populate mass media actually have the longest-lasting impact of all
> contributors to violence. Prolonged exposure to violent images
> increases the fear of becoming a victim, desensitizes violence, and
> heightens the viewer's appetite for similarly engaging in
> violence.http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199403/violence-has-home-address
>
> Violent and other antisocial behaviors involving children and
> adolescents are being
> blamed on the media. In the United States, controversy over the
> influence of
> the media on children remains intense. Yet more violent acts are
> depicted on tele-
> vision, sales of video games depicting death and destruction are
> skyrocketing, and
> many rock videos show violence as a viable means of conflict
> resolution. Efforts
> to limit the acts of violence shown in the media are met with the
> industry's consid-
> erable financial resources to resist responsible programming. Although
> media vio-
> lence is not the leading cause of real-life violence, it is a
> significant cause, and one
> that is easily remediable. The major components of the media affecting
> children--
> television (videos, movies), print (comic books, magazines, and
> newspapers), and
> radio--continue to have powerful negative effects on American
> children.
>
> http://www.questia.com/read/27253421?title=Schools%2c%20Violence%2c%2...
> (#5 left pane)
>
> Television has a dominant role. American children view two hundred
> thou-
> sand violent acts on television by the age of eighteen. While parents
> have a
> central role in influencing the lives of their children, television
> has a powerful effect
> on the development of unhealthy activities, negative attitudes, and
> antisocial be-
> haviors. American children and adolescents spend twenty-three to
> twenty-eight
> hours per week viewing television. This three to four hours per day
> displaces
> healthy activities, including exercise, play, reading, and homework.
> By high school
> graduation, twelve thousand hours will have been spent in formal
> classroom
> instruction, yet fifteen thousand hours will have been spent in front
> of the
> television.
>
> Violent Human Nature: Telling a New Story
> William L. Ury
>
> In this past year when it came to the question of intervening in
> Kosovo,
> as in Bosnia or Rwanda, we heard countless times in the media that
> these
> people have been fighting for centuries and centuries; it's in their
> blood
> and there's nothing you can do about it. The day after the Columbine
> shooting in April 1999, the spokesperson for the school district was
> quoted as saying, “You can take every reasonable step to make a
> positive
> environment for everyone, but sometimes human nature will defeat you.”
> This attribution of violence and war to human nature has a rich
> intellectual
> heritage. Voltaire, for instance, expressed the widespread beliefs of
> his
> time when he asserted that slavery is as ancient as war and was human
> nature. At the beginning of this century, Freud posited the existence
> of an
> instinct of destruction and aggression, believing that it lay at the
> root of
> war. He wrote, “Under primitive conditions it is superior force, brute
> violence
> or violence backed by arms, that lords it everywhere.”
>
> _____________________________
>
> I feel that little sincere effort is made towards nurturing peace,
> instead we succumb to barbarianism as with Popeye when we had all we
> can stand it's time for the violence. We don't actually try to
> instill attitudes of peace but relay the idea that violence is a
> solution. The world continues to churn with decreasing attention to
> reason. I wouldn't imagine any violent uprising in a meeting room
> full of Minds Eye members, therefore I would reason that the lack of
> reason and the effort to place value on reason in the minds of our
> society lies at the core of the increase in violence behavior.
> In the beginning of the video in Chicago I hear the girl yelling "get
> out the car" and wonder where is the disconnect in our system of
> education, the integration somehow has been lost, somewhat abandoned
> and a sub culture had been allowed to fester and emerge, a lord of the
> flies scenario. The tragedy of the death is simply a by product of
> another tragedy, the failure of a segment of society to grasp hold of
> the opportunities that are afforded them, the reasons for that are
> many. This is not a race debate but a social issue directed at the
> whole in failure to address the part. Unfortunately there is a
> tendency to ignore that which is not a immediate personal problem.
> Society ignores inner cities because most don't have to live there
> with the rats and rodents. Society spends millions on incarceration
> as a result but spends little on a infrastructure that promotes
> productivity, advancement and higher educational programs. The great
> disparity becomes evident and clear when you have mega wealth and
> abject poverty in the same place. The ostentatious wealth of
> billionaires and the plight of Derrion Albert. Money does something
> to people and I'm not sure exactly what it is but I've seen many go
> from rags to riches and then turn their backs on their humble
> beginnings and those they struggled with only to live in over sized
> houses with six car garages while tossing money away on frivolity.
> It's not as if we really can't do something about poverty, is it?
> It's all about self preservation and greed.
>
> On Oct 5, 7:13 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > whoops, that should have been clever, not cleaver. Oh Freud, you've
> > done it again....
>
> > On Oct 5, 8:08 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Popular shows (according to the ratings industry) sell advertising.
> > > To look at why violence in our entertainment industry is popular you
> > > need to look to human psychology. We are taken to a process of
> > > completion when we watch a show that includes violence and the story
> > > has a beginning and an end. We, on more subtle levels, as we follow
> > > along also express the violence within us in acceptable ways. The
> > > mainstream or majority of the bell curve of us wrestle with
> > > oppositional feelings and suppress violent tendencies so that they
> > > come out in, if we are cleaver, more and more subtle ways, through
> > > interpersonal violence, bullying and manipulation. Violence in media
> > > is attractive to many of us because it illustrates those parts of us
> > > we are taught to look away from.
>
> > > Now the Tipper Gore questions of, at what point does the violence
> > > begin to breed more violence, or influence us to act in violent ways,
> > > or lead us to believe that violence is acceptable, or introduce our
> > > children to violence are very good questions. But they do not negate
> > > the fact that violence in our media is simply a reflection of our
> > > collective violent nature.
>
> > > Better questions may be: Why are we hooked on opposition? Why does
> > > our need for opposition express in violent terms? Why can't we see
> > > this tendency in ourselves or its effects on those around us when we
> > > express it? How can we reconcile the opposition within us without
> > > violence? What prevents us from understanding the more subtle
> > > expressions of interpersonal violence in our daily lives?
>
> > > On Oct 5, 5:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I know the answer to that one Slip. If advertising did not work, then
> > > > there would be none. Do you suggest then that violence on TV is
> > > > tantamount to selling violence to the masses?
>
> > > > What does that say about that bloody ballroom dancing show that seems
> > > > ohhh so very popular at the moment?
>
> > > > On 1 Oct, 17:33, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > “…Can it be said that portrayals of good morality as seen on any
> > > > > amount of TV programes with a moral message to convey, has induced in
> > > > > mankind a good morality? I do not think so. So why imagine that
> > > > > portrayals of bad morality from the same source has any effect
> > > > > either?” – lee
>
> > > > > Lee, while in many ways I agree with you, on the other hand, it
> > > > > clearly appears to me that TV has one purpose in the US, to sell. And,
> > > > > we are all well aware of how much money passes from hand to hand in
> > > > > the process of advertising. I question whether this would occur if
> > > > > there was no result. What do you think?
>
> > > > > On Oct 1, 7:59 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > I think I see differantly form you there Slip!
>
> > > > > > Can it be said that portrayals of good morality as seen on any
> > > > > > amount
> > > > > > of TV programes with a moral message to convey, has induced in
> > > > > > mankind
> > > > > > a good morality?
>
> > > > > > I do not think so. So why imagine that portrayals of bad morality
> > > > > > from the same
>
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