LOL! Welcome Doris, your humor is much appreciated here. :-)
On 7 Okt., 01:52, Doris Ragland <[email protected]> wrote:
> well forgive the depressing thoughts for interupting your postive thinking.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:41 PM, ornamentalmind
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes Don, we are in the same boat. The problem is that 'the public
> > dole' itself has been all but eliminated through carefully crafted
> > actions over the last few decades.
>
> > On Oct 6, 3:09 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I had dreams of an early retirement in the mid 90's. Now I realize
> > > I'll work until I'm dead. More and more of my earned income will be
> > > syphoned off to pay for other's apathy and poor economic choices. I
> > > work for The Greater Good and lately have nothing left to put away for
> > > tomorrow so I may very well end up on the public dole myself before I
> > > finally shuffle off this mortal coil. It's a depressing thought.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:50 AM, archytas <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > My guess is the underlying economics doesn't work and it may be that
> > > > human survival and a decent society is much easier than we have
> > > > recognised. This latter may be the reason 'economics works' - almost
> > > > any mad dross would. I know of no scientific critique in the area
> > > > other than a resignation amongst scientists that the stuff is daft.
> > > > Our traditional right wing party has come out today with the"idea"
> > > > that we should all work longer before we can retire - Doris may be
> > > > right in musing about the world-wide. "All" means 'those less
> > > > fortunate'. Some have already lost good pension entitlements and drop
> > > > there kit every year on a party conference beach to remind us.
> > > > Unemployment in the UK is massive and hidden through people being able
> > > > to claim sickness benefits or disappearing off the screen.
> > > > Truth flew away long ago, perhaps just as we got the means to secure
> > > > it through technology. I've contributed through work most of my life,
> > > > but there is little sign that anything I've built up is really under
> > > > my control and plenty of reasons to rue not being more selfish and
> > > > just made a life in which I could just watch the mess from a house on
> > > > the hill. The human population has risen three times in my lifetime,
> > > > to me a significant fact in our inability to take control of
> > > > evolutionary defaults and change them (with all the moral issues this
> > > > involves).
> > > > I worked in Soho for a while, watching what was a 'good night
> > > > out' (years ago) and just found myself wondering why life is so bad.
> > > > There can seem very little to do because of something central in the
> > > > way we are 'nurtured'. I'm not sure sitting on a Brazilian beach as
> > > > an academic about to pontificate on postmodernism was any less squalid
> > > > - perhaps more so as even as a cop I could sometimes stop some of the
> > > > worst. I'd ask Francis what paid for the financial services
> > > > revolution - but suspect he knows.
> > > > The answers are probably simple and concern smaller ideas than daft
> > > > economics (about which most people know nothing - reminding me of
> > > > church services in Latin).
>
> > > > On 6 Oct, 09:06, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> Nowhere To Fall
>
> > > >> Facing the economic crisis in the U.S.
>
> > > >> October 2009 By Katie Beran and Celine-Marie Pascale
>
> > > >> ________________________________________
> > > >> Few people will escape the effects of the global economic crisis that
> > > >> has been unfolding since the fall of 2008. While the stock market's
> > > >> steep declines conjured immediate comparisons to the crash of 1929,
> > > >> David Kyvig points out that the broad economic effects of the crash
> > > >> (apart from immediate losses in the market) became apparent only in
> > > >> 1933 when the entire nation was in a depression. The devastation of
> > > >> that depression took 25 years to correct. Notably, only 2 percent of
> > > >> the public owned stocks in 1929, while 50 percent owned stocks in
> > > >> 2008. In this precarious context, it is especially important to
> > > >> remember that in 2007, a year before the stock market crisis, the U.S.
> > > >> Census Bureau reported 37.3 million people were already living in
> > > >> poverty. The announcement didn't make front-page news and no one
> > > >> declared a crisis. No one called for government intervention.
>
> > > >> When the stock market crashed in the fall of 2008, stories of layoffs
> > > >> among construction workers, auto workers, factory workers, bankers,
> > > >> and stockbrokers quickly dominated the news. The public faced daily
> > > >> reports of retirement pensions ruined by the crisis and the dire
> > > >> consequences that people in or near retirement now faced. Stories on
> > > >> the foreclosure crisis described a devastated middle class facing cuts
> > > >> to wages, and health care. Still, no one reported on the millions of
> > > >> people who had nowhere to fall—people who never held a job with
> > health-
> > > >> care benefits or pension plans, people who had been working at low-
> > > >> wage jobs doing their best to pay rent and keep food on the table.
> > > >> Millions more now face this kind of severe poverty. …
>
> > > >> More at:http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag/viewArticle/22730
>
> > > >> On Oct 5, 3:31 pm, Doris Ragland <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Well here as far as Postal Service we did have postal trucks in
> > rural area's
> > > >> > now if you work for the Postal Service ir rural area's you use your
> > own
> > > >> > vehecial and put a yellow light on top..and some are only part
> > time...not a
> > > >> > good balance of pay for that person..part time no insurance...part
> > time on
> > > >> > any Job here in America is less insurance..this is a level of blue
> > collar
> > > >> > people with under average pay and they are hard workers...they have
> > even cut
> > > >> > retriement out on alot of the big company's here like they used to
> > have
> > > >> > ..now it is the 4-K Plan...used to you work to retriement and you
> > would get
> > > >> > like at least sixty and over thousands to add to your retriement not
> > good I
> > > >> > don't think on 4-K it is less but better than nothing..these things
> > are not
> > > >> > my department in solutions but I can see right now it is less than
> > in 60's
> > > >> > and 70's so forth..and yes we have the problem of cost in PO and
> > many other
> > > >> > things...travel expense goes up when it is time to vacation are all
> > year
> > > >> > travel..and just found out here are SS in 1917 seventy-six cents on
> > the
> > > >> > dollar because we have finicial problems is this world wide? It
> > seems
> > > >> > people overcome and probably will keep on living but what quialty?
> > To find
> > > >> > solutions to this the way it was here seem to work better back in
> > > >> > 60's-70's-it started changing..
>
> > > >> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:20 AM, [email protected] <
>
> > > >> > [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > Well lets take our fine British empire as an example huh.
>
> > > >> > > Trains, that Thacher woman privatised them and it has taken ohh
> > what
> > > >> > > about 20 years for the service to come relativly good again,
> > although
> > > >> > > the price I now pay for the privilege of being squesed into the
> > 8:15
> > > >> > > to London Bridge every weekday morning does seem too much.
>
> > > >> > > Health service. A few years back now our hospitals were given the
> > > >> > > option of becoming NHS Trusts, meaning a reduction in the money
> > they
> > > >> > > recive from goverment in return for the more self sefisency and
> > the
> > > >> > > chance to run like a business and make their own money. This
> > happend
> > > >> > > during the time I was working for one such hospital, moral hit
> > rock
> > > >> > > bottom as more and more frontline staff were let go and more and
> > more
> > > >> > > middle managment recruited, one of the reasons that I left.
>
> > > >> > > Post Office, well we can see what state that is in right now.
> > Energy,
> > > >> > > likewise(cheating bastards)
>
> > > >> > > Privatisation I guess may cost the goverement less, and maybe it
> > > >> > > actualy makes more money for these 'companies' but history since
> > the
> > > >> > > Thatcher era shows us that what this in fact does is makes more
> > money
> > > >> > > for the board of directors, and impacts negativly on service.
>
> > > >> > > Privatisation, umm I wonder if it is any sort of chance that it
> > reads
> > > >> > > like privateers?
>
> > > >> > > On 5 Oct, 11:57, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> > > > An NHS comes with reds under beds Lee and cleaning services so
> > bad you
> > > >> > > > can never get rid of them! A sensible question might be whether
> > the
> > > >> > > > private sector ever did anything better than the public sector -
> > this
> > > >> > > > seems a bit odd for me to say as I generally loathe Town Halls.
> > Yet
> > > >> > > > much 'comparison' has been done against economies run by mad
> > people
> > > >> > > > (Sino-Soviet etc.) or ones in which the West has had an
> > imperialist
> > > >> > > > hand. CEOs of US companies that would have been nationalised in
> > > >> > > > Europe often said they competed against them in the fear of
> > being
> > > >> > > > nationalised if they didn't come up to scratch. I doubt many in
> > the
> > > >> > > > UK really think our privatisations have done much good - what
> > academic
> > > >> > > > evidence there is suggests considerable harm in surprising areas
> > like
> > > >> > > > 'education' (piling it uselessly into colleges when the big
> > national
> > > >> > > > companies were hands on). Gas and electric prices are now
> > broadly the
> > > >> > > > same across the 6 suppliers. There's no sensible argument about
> > any
> > > >> > > > of this unless you dig deep - much of that frankly hit by the
>
> ...
>
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