An NHS comes with reds under beds Lee and cleaning services so bad you can never get rid of them! A sensible question might be whether the private sector ever did anything better than the public sector - this seems a bit odd for me to say as I generally loathe Town Halls. Yet much 'comparison' has been done against economies run by mad people (Sino-Soviet etc.) or ones in which the West has had an imperialist hand. CEOs of US companies that would have been nationalised in Europe often said they competed against them in the fear of being nationalised if they didn't come up to scratch. I doubt many in the UK really think our privatisations have done much good - what academic evidence there is suggests considerable harm in surprising areas like 'education' (piling it uselessly into colleges when the big national companies were hands on). Gas and electric prices are now broadly the same across the 6 suppliers. There's no sensible argument about any of this unless you dig deep - much of that frankly hit by the same emoticons as the surface. Doris makes some sense just talking about what actually happens - we could do with more of that kind of stuff to compare systems.
On 5 Oct, 11:05, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm still finding this really hard to understand. > > Why procisly is a health service in which all patients recive free > healthcare, free that is at the point of service, considered a bad > thing for some? > > What are their worries or their fears? > > On 5 Oct, 03:14, Doris Ragland <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I work in the Health insurance for years in US and processed claims in two > > major insurance company's ..major medical..I think this.. as being self > > independent in our country > > is good and at one point was very good at a period of time here..but things > > changed where the company's you worked for cut out insurance for the > > workers..so to carry insurance totally by yourself is a great expense..here > > in America basicly the cost of the doctors went up to be a doctor and other > > medical area's to go for there degree's-the cost went up on medical > > supplies-the doctors had to get outrageous insurance just in case of being > > sued and so fourth- when I process claims and investgated the claims it took > > time to find out in detail the cases- that is added in on cost - I processed > > claims which the hospitals would charge five dollars for a bandaide--there > > is unreasonable cost I agree that should be brought into a right balance > > --the bandaide is just one example-I thought I would explain this to you in > > a little bit more detail-here in America we are trying to have a plan that > > all may have insurance- somewhat like canda--we tried for the last few years > > pass it..Myself I think everything needs to be put in check and a good > > balance..the medical department loses alot anyway when the people can"t pay > > there bills this does not make sense to me..it should not be this way. > > Maybe this will give you an ideal what it is like -when the company you > > work for would let you carry insurance out with them and had HMO plans it > > would pay 80% of your medical and your could get your medicine for about > > five dollars per. > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:48 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Gorby has come out recently and said that Thatcher and other right- > > > wing flops wanted him to crush German reunification. I tend to find > > > the country rather like the fair-minded, well educated and progressive > > > Britain I was supposed to be living in. I rather liked my trips to > > > the old DDR for that matter - there was even something good amongst > > > the lunacy and repression. Even in this civilized country there is > > > little real progress towards a real understanding of how we might live > > > if we can break the military-consumerist fetish. Private medicine > > > would be OK if insurance was a genuine form not based on only taking > > > people unlikely to be ill - but we'd still need to restrict white > > > collar criminals (doctors etc.) taking rip-off fees. > > > > On 3 Oct, 14:31, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > And a happy German Unity Day to you too, Gabby! > > > > > I am in complete agreement with you on the health care issue. (Well, > > > > ok, apart from anything else, I work in the health area :-)) I see us > > > > facing difficult times in Germany in this area following the recent > > > > election results. The so-called liberals (the junior partner in the > > > > next government) are on record as saying they want the whole health > > > > system completely privatised. Already the pressure towards a two-class > > > > health system is growing. Free market experts talk about us all taking > > > > more responsibility for ourselves and the availability of private > > > > supplemental insurance. Even on a purely personal area it worries me - > > > > as someone middle-aged, with a medical history of treated alcoholism > > > > and an artificial hip, the rates I would have to pay for private > > > > supplementary insurance are far beyond my means. > > > > > The challenge for the united Germany remains the same as it was twenty > > > > years ago - to achieve and maintain a just and fair society for all > > > > its residents, whether in Duisburg or Dresden. > > > > > Francis > > > > > On 3 Okt., 14:44, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Let me explain. > > > > > > I was born in West-Berlin 7 years after a wall was raised that > > > > > protected the East from the fascism of the West. Unfortunately, West- > > > > > Berlin was in the middle of East-Germany. My relatively poor geography > > > > > marks give testimony of this circumstance. Times have changed and > > > > > fascism has become a too difficult word to employ. Instead, becoming > > > > > aware of the need to fight for the right idea has become more and more > > > > > important. To have the right on my side has become the essence of our > > > > > democracy. > > > > > > Chris and Craig are right to assure each other (on Facebook) that our > > > > > compulsory medical insurance system without a loud and heartfelt > > > > > discussion on fines, penalties and death sentence for those who dream > > > > > of dropping out of this system is wimpy and retarded. Welcome back, > > > > > new fascism!- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
