it may not be possible to examine peace without also examining violence, but, I think, as long as we come out of it with our focus on peace, we will come out ahead.
On Oct 8, 12:35 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > There does appear to be a connection of what one embodies/manifests > and ones interaction in the world. On the other hand, the meek do not > appear to be near inheriting the earth. The karma of fight club seems > to arise whether one does anything or not. > > In the US, corporate TV often goes on rants about professionals being > held to ‘a higher standard’ when it comes to being an example for > others. This principle, as intriguing as it is, would be interesting > if applied to the media sponsors and Wall Street let alone the > activities of government leaders. While such strife has always been > with us and as long as there is competition for resources always will > be, the newly publicized Bush Doctrine and associated divine right to > meddle in the affairs of others to any extent and for any ends at all > surely is not lost on the next generations. When it comes to the > clergy, a similar failure is clear. No matter the position of anyone > professing peace, being a living example is all important. Just > yesterday, Obama rejected meeting with HHDL for the fear of ticking > off China, of all things! This is ‘change’ we can do without. > > On Oct 8, 8:13 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks, Neil, it would not be the first time I relied on the person > > holding the gun next to me. But as I said, I have found that living > > in a way that is unattached to violent thoughts and feelings creates a > > non violent direct experience for me. Allan offers the formula: "I > > have to be at peace with who I am, what I believe and how I respond to > > my world. Then I have to take the responsibility for who I am and what > > I do, with out excuses," and this formula is among the best that I > > have heard. > > > We can truly, as Allan suggests, only act peacefully in ways that our > > experience in the moment allows. That calling, I think, is a > > reflection of who we are in the moment and an invitation into greater > > possibility. > > > It is ironic that the national attention is on youth violence in > > Chicago because one of the best studies in community and youth > > violence came out of the University of Chicago in 1993 and a ten year > > study funded by the federal Department of Juvenile Justice. I forget > > the name of the professor that administered the grant and directed the > > research, and my files are tucked away far out of reach. But in 1993 > > I was one of the first people to access the info after publication, > > and it consisted of thousands of pages and papers on community > > organization for every sector of society. There was so much > > information that in order to not only distribute the info but the > > copying costs, I moved around from place to place for about a month, > > copying the recommendations for the judiciary at the courthouse, > > police at a police dept., education at a superintendents office - all > > volunteering to be part of the effort. If I had had the funding, I > > would have shipped it off to a printer, but sometimes we do what we > > must. The main idea that came out of this study was that community > > organization is key to reducing all risk factors in communities > > including violence. > > > The point is, that the info came out of chicago, yet it seems that > > cook county did not utilize it the way lake county (just to the north > > in Illinois state) did. Youth violence is not a new problem but it is > > complex, beginning with problems of bonding between child and parent > > with the societal shift to two working parents in the home. Dr. > > Sigurd Zielke out of indiana had a theory at the time called "Kid's of > > the 90's" that offered a process of "repair and restoration" for kids > > who did not bond in the early years, and taught a good method for > > interaction with these kids that I used when designing trainings for > > my programs. Much youth violence of today begins here. > > > My oldest son suffered the blows of the type of gang fight a few years > > ago, that has been coming out of chicago on the news, although he had > > a few buddies helping him out, he was the first to go down, hit with > > something across the face, breaking facial bones, causing a big > > concussion but leaving no permanent damage. It was in Old Town in > > Chicago, but Slip is right, it could have happened most anywhere. > > Fights like this on school grounds do (or should) get everyone, even > > the watchers, suspended or expelled. But they are not only on school > > grounds. > > > Fight clubs are not just fictional, they are a huge social problem of > > this coming of age generation and I suspect it will be a problem for > > their children. If we can get back to lifestyles that meet the > > developmental needs of young children it will be a huge start. As Neil > > suggests, this would mean some shift in economies for families. I > > worked with my son consciousness raising while allowing that fully > > living the warrior within us before finding our peace is a traditional > > path. I was hoping football would give him a big enough outlet, but > > there seemed to be larger expressions begging release. Thankfully, he > > seems to have found a greater peace in his life now. Having been > > allowed the child parent bonding necessary, he had an edge for this > > learning curve that more and more kids don't. > > > We each find peace in our own way, and plant the seeds of peace as we > > are called to do. It is also important to recognize those tendencies > > in ourselves that lead to violence, even on the more subtle, > > interpersonal forms: where do we create conflict so that we can feel > > it? when are we working against instead of with? When do we hold on > > to negative emotions much longer than necessary, holding on to our > > injuries to indulge in our old tracks? When are we judging our > > neighbors? Or focusing on the violence or negativity around us? All > > of these subtle forms of violence within ourselves will bring more > > violence into our experience because the old adage is as true as the > > paradox of the Pharisee, "violence breeds violence" but a better adage > > would be "peace breeds peace." > > > On Oct 8, 6:12 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > If you were the Vicar in the War of the Worlds Molly I wouldn't let to > > > march down the Martians with your Bible (no heroism here, you'd have > > > given our position away and I'd have shot you if necessary) ... but I > > > know that's not what you mean. I think cosiness is an illusion we use > > > to evade reality, whether through prayer or humour. This doesn't mean > > > I don't want it at some appropriate moments. I always take Orn > > > seriously by the way, otherwise I could never laugh at him! > > > I'm pretty convinced that economics is at the root of much evil in the > > > world - huge resources go unused or have to be bought from idle owners > > > - and we are generally not educated to do much of what needs doing > > > ourselves in communities. I do believe something a bit like prayer > > > might help us get an understanding of this. > > > > On 8 Oct, 09:21, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > what have you done recently to plant the seed of peace in yourself, > > > > family, town, county, state, country, world? > > > > > This is a very good question and requires a lot of thought. > > > > > the seed of peace within me. I believe that true peace has to begin > > > > with > > > > me,, I have no right to expect others to make the sacrifices that are > > > > needed > > > > if I am unwilling to make them myself. The old song is very true, "Let > > > > there > > > > be peace on earth and let it begin with me." . That means I have to be > > > > at > > > > peace with who I am, what I believe and how I respond to my world. Then > > > > I > > > > have to take the responsibility for who I am and what I do, with out > > > > excuses. > > > > > As for the rest ,, I can only do what is placed before me speaking out > > > > against wrongs and trying to live life as a model for others to follow. > > > > Not > > > > that I am very good at that. I just can try. > > > > > As for success only history will tell > > > > > Mean while I will continue chasing my creator, hopefully like a child > > > > emulating their father. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > so often do gooders aren't really looking for peace as much as > > > > > attention. That mean green meme needs to work against, and creating > > > > > conflict is their way of life. > > > > > > There is much to examine in terms of peace and self defense but I > > > > > suspect that if we can truly be peaceful in the way that we hold > > > > > ourselves consciously in each moment, the need for self defense falls > > > > > away. Of course, in the heat of the battle, truly holding our peace > > > > > is allowing possibility for the moments to come, and is never easy. > > > > > We are each left to find ways to do this that feel right for us. Your > > > > > model might include a humorous exchange with Orn, while mine would be > > > > > the Lord's prayer. Certainly, letting go of the bias we are taught is > > > > > an important part of finding essential peace. > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
