IAM - I like your idea. As an agnostic I choose to think of Jesus as one of a 
group of elightened wise people 

who had a sophisticated awareness of how consciousness evolves. So when Jesus 
speaks about transformation

I think he may be talking about shifts in perception lead to potential shifts 
in consciousness. "Be ye transformed" I think 

may have  nothing to do with transcendence to an after life but may have 
everything to do with making transformations on 

 on this earth plane. If I am right then Jesus was referring to an expanded 
logic melding conventional linear scientific 

linear causality with complex "messy" feelings the resulting in what I refer to 
as experiential logic.



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From: iam deheretic <[email protected]>
To: minds-eye <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 1:57 pm
Subject: [Mind's Eye] A new (old) book


I have often wondered what the new  testament of  the bible would be like if 
you removed the parts that are in reality are made up short stories used to 
sell a bill of goods. An example(s) being the nativity stories, the 
resurrection (misunderstood,)   the writings of Saul Of Tarsus  the book of 
revelations. to name a few

I wonder if a book (it would probably be very short) getting rid of the exact 
interpretation but rather trying to expressed express the ideas that Jesus the 
man best wanted to express.  I look at our group and the atheists and agnostics 
have a very valuable role in working out that validity of what is being said.  
There is a definite need to counter balance my own beliefs and those of other 
fanatics.

To tell the truth this would be a total dream for me. There is an event 
astronomically that can be dated like a total solar eclipse over Jerusalem in 
33 CE. I do know that there are religious fanatics in the Philippines that are 
crucified (literally) and they regularly survive it. I think these things need 
to be taken into account, from what I understand it actually takes several days 
to die that way.

Here I have to admit I am jealous of the sheer enlightenment of spiritual 
knowledge Francis and other members of this group possess. I am hoping they 
will take to this idea.
Allan

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I_D Allan




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