Astronomy club sure sounds fun! Have you read Arthur C Clarke's corking good short story called The Star, about the Star of Bethlehem, a future astronomer, and a discovery regarding an alien race? See http://lucis.net/stuff/clarke/star_clarke.html
Most people who think the resurrection and nativity are stories do so from a prior commitment to naturalism -- that miracles don't happen, therefore, we are constrained to interpret every miraculous report as a story. Like myself, you seem to reject naturalism. Miracles can happen. People can tell stories. Which is it in the case of the nativity and resurrection? How to tell? On Oct 25, 2:01 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > I used to belong to an astronomy club in Bozeman Montana.. and several o the > members ran the planetarium that is there so we would look at a lot of > different ideas, and there was a solar eclipse happening at the time so the > idea came up to find out whre they had occured.. and i believe it was 33 CE > and there was one right over jersulem around the time of his crucifiction. > That was how they were able to date? it. > > The nativity scene great short story,, but there would have no real reason > to record it and .. just can not buy it.. > > Miricales I am not totally ready to dismiss to many native american > medicine men and things I don't understand I have seen and feltr to much > and I can not explain it.. then there is my ex and that I can partially > medically document it was weird. > > As for the reserection thing when my father died I was with him.. very > tamatic for me as I loved him much more than I realized.. What evolved is > the idea what if our life here is a form of death of the soul or maybe a > proving ground for morality.. and upon death one given accounting of ones > life and choices(God does not provide it) rather it is a record we create of > our own memories. If death is really the rebirth into a totally spiritual > existance which I think the soul is designed for what you have is the true > definition of a reserection.. the rebirth back into the spiritual life. > Allan > > , Alan Wosterberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey, Allan -- I didn't know there was "an event astronomically that > > can be dated like a total solar eclipse over Jerusalem in 33 CE.". > > Cool! > > > You have "often wondered what the new testament of the bible would > > be like if you removed the parts that are in reality are made up > > short stories used to sell a bill of goods. ". It seems most others > > here agree with your premise. > > > But I don't see how one could know "in realitiy" the resurrection and > > nativity are stories, unless it is just deduction from an a-priori > > principle such as "miracles don't happen", in which case every report > > of a miracle must be interpreted as a story. Very well, but one who > > does not accept this principle is not obliged to dismiss the miracles > > as stories. > > > But assuming they are stories, this raises a second question. What's a > > good way to sell a bill of goods? One can hardly sell a bill of goods > > by sticking to facts. Perhaps, then, it is the end -- "a bill of > > goods" that is the culprit, and not the means: making up stories. > > > In which case, what is the bill of goods being sold? I suppose some > > misinformed atheists believe it is the promise of eternal life. "Just > > do X", says the salesman, "and you will earn eternal life". Now if > > that is the bill of goods being sold, the Catholic joins the atheist > > in rejecting it! > > > On Oct 23, 10:57 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have often wondered what the new testament of the bible would be like > > if > > > you removed the parts that are in reality are made up short stories used > > to > > > sell a bill of goods. An example(s) being the nativity stories, the > > > resurrection (misunderstood,) the writings of Saul Of Tarsus the book > > of > > > revelations. to name a few > > > > I wonder if a book (it would probably be very short) getting rid of the > > > exact interpretation but rather trying to expressed express the ideas > > that > > > Jesus the man best wanted to express. I look at our group and the > > atheists > > > and agnostics have a very valuable role in working out that validity of > > what > > > is being said. There is a definite need to counter balance my own > > beliefs > > > and those of other fanatics. > > > > To tell the truth this would be a total dream for me. There is an event > > > astronomically that can be dated like a total solar eclipse over > > Jerusalem > > > in 33 CE. I do know that there are religious fanatics in the Philippines > > > that are crucified (literally) and they regularly survive it. I think > > these > > > things need to be taken into account, from what I understand it actually > > > takes several days to die that way. > > > > Here I have to admit I am jealous of the sheer enlightenment of spiritual > > > knowledge Francis and other members of this group possess. I am hoping > > they > > > will take to this idea. > > > Allan > > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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