They don't make 'em like Ibn Rushd anymore...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > You make is sound so relaxing, Pat. I have to add that I do not know > any Muslims and have never met any Muslims which may be one of the > reasons for my apprehensions. However, it is not without any basis, > ie; the Muslim Major Hasan seemed by "ALL" accounts to be one of the > peace loving Muslim persons of whom you speak. Didn't people know him > as such, wasn't he in the US Army? Didn't he shoot and kill US > Soldiers? Was he a fundamentalist, a radical terrorist? > Are we being duped is the real question, are you? > > On Dec 11, 7:58 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 11 Dec, 07:04, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Religion is still driving it's wedge into the world. I'm beginning to > > > become very wary of the intent of Muslim Immigrants. Little seeds are > > > being planted around the world and Muslim populations are growing. > > > With the shootings by Muslim Hasan in Fort Hood Texas and now the > > > Arrest of 5 Muslim teenagers in Pakistan who supposedly are American, > > > I reject the idea that they were ever American, I'm suspect that > > > Muslims around the world are simply carrying out a long term > > > infiltration tactic without any desire for citizenship but only for > > > the goal of the Muslim world. It may take 50 more years but by then > > > the Muslim population will be very imposing. > > > What do you think of all this Muslim turmoil around the world? I know > > > it's hard to be politically correct and non judgmental but history is > > > littered with attempts at world domination. Truth is I'm beginning to > > > get nervous and simply do not trust Muslims and wonder about their > > > true motive. Is it just paranoia, I don't think so. > > > > Islam IS the fastest growing faith and has been for quite some time. > > This is, mostly, due to the fact that Muslims have Muslim children > > (funnily enough) and the growth rate is more down to general > > population growth than conversion rates; that said, there are more and > > more converts as well. So why, then, is that? [that's not a > > rhetorical question but an invitation to fully investigate Islam for > > yourself to discover what there is about it that might attract people > > TO it.] > > What is it about Islam that worries you? The religion itself does not > > promote terrorism, but change through dialogue, so the 'terrorists' > > aren't REALLY 'true Muslims'--they are apostates who have been led > > astray--they are as brainwashed as any follower of Jim Jones or David > > Koresh. Don't be afraid of Muslims--they are simply people who > > acknowledge that it is God that runs the show here on Earth (and, as > > far as I can tell, that is a correct belief!). Rather, be afraid of > > fundamentalism of any variety, for it is fundamentalism--that branch > > of any faith that says, "We're correct and everyone else needs to die > > so that only those that think correctly are left." That was never the > > premiss of Islam, as the Qur'an itself states that religion should not > > be forced on anyone. These fundamentalists feed on our fears. So, > > you're playing into their hands with your mistrust of Muslims, as they > > are, for the vast majority, just like everyone else on the planet-- > > trying to just get through another day. Take each one as they present > > themselves to you. If you want to react in a Christian fashion > > towards them, then that would be: Judge not, lest ye be judged. > > Muslims worship God by being mindful of Him in many ways throughout > > the day, and Jesus said that loving God was the greatest commandment. > > So they follow that teaching--probably beter than most Westerners who > > consider themselves Christian. The second greates commandment > > (according to Jesus) was "to love your neighbour as yourself". But > > you are mistrusting/distrusting people and the only thing you may know > > about them is that they are Muslim. How fair is that? > > It's my belief that God will judge us by certain standards. Some of > > those standards we set ourselves. That is, he will judge us as fairly > > as we have judged others. In that way, injustice can always be > > redressed in the Hereafter. This life is only a test for an eternal > > existence. Don't let the fundamentalists of ANY faith turn you > > against other believers of that faith who are NOT fundamentalists. It > > could be a dangerous practice; after all, Jesus warned: judge not, > > lest ye be judged (similarly). Don't play into the hands of the > > fundamentalists by fearing and mis/distrusting Muslims, as that is > > what they hope will be the divisive reaction that grants them the > > grounds for claiming general bias. > > I encounter Muslims on a daily basis. At work, at the local shop, in > > taxis, etc. And NONE of them have ever acted in a way that I would > > consider problematic. What makes ME nervous is people taking a > > dislike to people they don't know simply because they are different-- > > when, really, we are ALL different; because it's THAT attitude that > > both Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are hoping will bring us to > > the all-glorious Armageddon that they both think they'll win. They > > can't BOTH be right; but, they could both be wrong, in that there ARE > > no winners of Armageddon. > > > > If, as you are tending towards, you think that Muslims will out-number > > the rest of the population in the foreseeable future, then that will > > change the world. But that doesn't, of necessity, mean that that > > change would be bad. It all comes down to implementation. And there > > are Islamic prophecies that indicate that, before Islam does become > > the predominant religion on Earth, it will be 'set back onto the > > straight path' by a 'Clarifier', the Mahdi, or Al-Qa'im. Muslims > > await this individual because they know that there are corrections (to > > the practices of the faith) that need to be made (the abolition of > > female circumcision throughout Islamic Africa would be the first thing > > that leaps out in my mind...but there is a longer list). So wait WITH > > them and watch out FOR him, for it is just THAT kind of individual > > that needs to come onto the world scene fairly soon, as the numbers, > > as you point out, are nearing the mark. > > > > PS 'Chanukkah Tovah' for all the Jewish readers out there!! > > > > > Excerpt: > > > The citizens of the United States and Canada, as well as many within > > > various echelons of law enforcement, might be surprised to learn that > > > active paramilitary training of Islamic terrorists, who are focused on > > > bringing jihad or holy war into America on a large scale, are > > > currently operating in the United States and Canada. In fact, they > > > have existed inside North America since at least 1980. > > > > >http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover061107h.htm > > > > > The Islamic "jihadist" Army in our Midst > > > The most astute researchers of Islamic terrorist activities might > > > believe that the so-called "Virginia jihad network," often referred to > > > as the "paintball jihad network," was the first paramilitary training > > > of its kind in America. The "paintball jihad network" consisted of > > > nearly a dozen Muslim men, including Randall "Ismail" Royer, an > > > American convert to Islam and former official of the Council on > > > American Islamic Relations (CAIR), who honed their combat skills > > > through the use of paintball gun exercises with other like-minded > > > Muslims, according to the federal indictment and his subsequent > > > conviction. Others might cite the case of Ernest James UJAAMA, a/k/a > > > Bilal AHMED, (a Muslim convert born James Earnest Thompson), who, > > > according to court documents, attempted to set up an Afghanistan-style > > > terrorist training camp near Bly, Oregon in 1999 as a precursor to > > > physical jihad training in America. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
