I think that Justin's read on Slips question was accurate, in that it points to the racial hysteria that is now all around us, inflamed by mainstream media and ignorance. In the US, as generations go on, so does the racism, but the targeted race changes. During my grandparents time, the Irish were targets. Now, because Islam is not really a race, but a religion, anyone with medium dark skin is a target, which could be Eastern European, Indian, Middle Eastern parts of the globe and include, in truth, several different races and religions that include a particular physical "look." It is our tendency to identify with groups, and feel ourselves against others and other groups that get in our way in significant but irrational ways. My step daughter dates a guy who immigrated from Armenia at the age of 7. He had someone call him an Arab with distain the other day. Last I checked, Saudi Arabia and the US were allies.
Even a relatively innocuous statement from Gabby against me and for someone else will interrupt cohesion in the group. In terms of self, moving against is always looking away from self. It is human nature none the less. Wrap that up with a big coat of fear - fear of the future, fear of war, fear of attack, fear of economic disaster, fear that I won't be able to keep my stuff or have more stuff or hang on to my irrational fear and anger that allows me to feel in the absence of love, well, you are perfect fodder for herd mentality and those who prey on it. Even that is simply a reflection of changing humanity. It may be that what we are witnessing is really the death throes of racism in a global society. On Dec 16, 7:47 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 15 Dec, 23:23, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Buzzer goes off, I'm not an Atheist, never claimed to be one, being > > non religious is not Atheism. What I believe God is may be different > > from others beliefs. Yes for sure I think the world would be much > > better without politics and many other things including wealth, an > > unnecessary state of being. Your interpretations are too micro. I'm > > not picking on religion per se but it is within the context of this > > thread, in case you haven't noticed, ie; Muslims um Religion um Islam > > um Religion um Jihad um Religion. > > {snicker!} Now my buzzer goes off. Which FORM of Islam? Not all > Muslims are practicing, per se, and not all forms of Islam (for those > who ARE practicing) are the same. Sunni vs. Shi'a is a big divide, > for one, and ther eare four major 'schools of though' when it comes to > deriving laws (Shari'a) from the Qur'an (scripture), ahadith (sayings > of the Prophet) and Sunna (traditions of/about the Prophet). The you > mention jihad. Which one? The lesser (more violent and outward > fight) or the greater (the less violent and more inner struggle)? All > these terms are not equal to one another. Much less are they even > congruent. > Have you looked at Islamic economics? If implemented well (and, of > course, that's a huge caveat), there are no 'wealthy', as they would > be charitable and share their excesses with those who have needs. Of > course, this is one of the big areas where Islam and Western > capitalism collide. Western capitalism allows for the stinking rich-- > and encourages it--whereas that is not the case with Islamic > economics, as the rich (those who have more than they need) have a > responsibility to ensure that there are no poor, because they are the > ones who are best placed to alleviate that condition. Yet, at the > same time, Islamic economics isn't so far as communism, because it > respects private property. It actually sits as a happy compromise > between communism and capitalism based on social values in which the > standard of living for everyone is (or COULD BE, if properly > implemented) guaranteed. But the West doesn't like it because it > means 'no fat cats' and the Communists don't like it because they have > to give up some control. I.e., it's a compromise in which both sides > give up something and everyone gains. > > > On Dec 15, 9:00 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hah I guess then if that is the way you want to go, the same can be > > > said of any human idea. Your an Atheist, so you too are segmented, we > > > well know that not all atheists hold similar belives I.E. political so > > > that to is segmention, so I must wonder why you point the finger at > > > religion and level charges of segmentaion and nothing else. > > > > You and I are more seperated idealogical by our politics than by my > > > faith and your lack of the same. would you say then that you think the > > > world would be a better place without politics, its segmentation > > > of societies and a root cause of indifference? Or perhaps the concept > > > of wealth? That is after all hugely segmentational. Or music, any > > > other of the arts, the list is seemingly endless, why pick just > > > religion I wonder? > > > > On 15 Dec, 14:24, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It remains the same Lee, your faith is segmented ie; not every > > > > ascribes to your faith. Secondly it is not that religion itself is > > > > fostering segmentation, it is just something of a byproduct. Many > > > > religions are segmented within themselves by means of splinter > > > > groups. Yours is not the only religion to see God in all but it has a > > > > different name because in someway it is segmented. > > > > > On Dec 15, 4:37 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > More generalist stuff from you Slip? > > > > > > While it may appear true that some religions foster segmentation, I am > > > > > happy to report that my own faith does no such thing and instead > > > > > concentrates on seeing God in all, so it is indeed opposite to such > > > > > segmentation. > > > > > > On 14 Dec, 23:14, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well thanks for the variations in view and the enlightenment on the > > > > > > situation as a whole, makes the most sense so far. It doesn't > > > > > > change > > > > > > much for me though, I'm still concerned. The water supply and food > > > > > > supply could easily be sabotaged by some radical, of course I'm not > > > > > > implying just that particular strain, it could be any nut job to > > > > > > pull > > > > > > that one off, like the shoe bomber, Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem, > > > > > > currently serving a life sentence. He converted to Islam in one of > > > > > > his > > > > > > earlier prison stints. I've said it before in other threads, I > > > > > > think > > > > > > the world would be a better place without religion, its segmentation > > > > > > of societies and a root cause of indifference. My life is so much > > > > > > more peaceful without it and this concern I have is really rooted in > > > > > > religious ideology. I find it as annoying and irritating as the > > > > > > Jehovah Witness knocking on my door on a Saturday morning. Shalom! > > > > > > > On Dec 14, 6:57 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 11 Dec, 18:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You make is sound so relaxing, Pat. I have to add that I do > > > > > > > > not know > > > > > > > > any Muslims and have never met any Muslims which may be one of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > reasons for my apprehensions. However, it is not without any > > > > > > > > basis, > > > > > > > > ie; the Muslim Major Hasan seemed by "ALL" accounts to be one > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > peace loving Muslim persons of whom you speak. Didn't people > > > > > > > > know him > > > > > > > > as such, wasn't he in the US Army? Didn't he shoot and kill US > > > > > > > > Soldiers? Was he a fundamentalist, a radical terrorist? > > > > > > > > Are we being duped is the real question, are you? > > > > > > > > Although I don't know Major Hasan, I can 'guess' (which is hardly > > > > > > > good) that there were conflicts of interest going on in his mind. > > > > > > > Muslims consider one another brothers--at least brothers in the > > > > > > > faith. Yet the army is sending U.S. Muslims to kill non-U.S. > > > > > > > Muslims. This is as much 'brother vs. brother' as we saw in the > > > > > > > US > > > > > > > Civil War, when members of the same family fought on opposing > > > > > > > sides. > > > > > > > It destroyed families for generations. In this case, it's caused > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > conflict of interest in the minds of Muslims who have a duty to > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > Muslim brothers AND a duty to their country. Not all people > > > > > > > resolve > > > > > > > the issue in the same way and some, like Major Hasan I assume, > > > > > > > crack > > > > > > > under the pressure. Remember Hasan's last words before the > > > > > > > rampage? > > > > > > > "Allahu Akhbar", i.e. "God is greater"; i.e., his loyalty to Islam > > > > > > > took over, although he was so far gone mentally that, while he may > > > > > > > have got his allegiances correct, his actions were completely > > > > > > > opposed > > > > > > > to the guidance given BY Islam. At that point, it seems he felt > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > was better (and I disagree with him completely, BTW) to fight > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > who were killing his Muslim brothers than to join with them and > > > > > > > kill > > > > > > > his brother Muslims (and/or support the cause that kills his > > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > Muslims). So he indiscriminately started shooting. An act that > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be considered reprehensible and punishable by death under Shari'a > > > > > > > law, > > > > > > > as what he did was plain murder, i.e., needless killing. What > > > > > > > Hasan > > > > > > > was was someone who cracked under the pressure. He failed the > > > > > > > test. > > > > > > > To pass, he should have resigned his commission from the Army, > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > ANY circumstances, and just gone back to civilian life. But it's > > > > > > > obvious, from his actions, that he wasn't thinking straight. > > > > > > > As far as his general motivations, again, I don't know the man. > > > > > > > I can > > > > > > > reckon, though, from his actions that his loyalty to his Muslim > > > > > > > brothers outweighed his loyalty to the U.S. Army at the time of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > murders. Personally, I think he was on the verge of the cracking > > > > > > > point for months but something tipped him over the edge. Exactly > > > > > > > what, I have no idea. > > > > > > > Was he a terrorist, probably not, in the sense of an Al-Qaida > > > > > > > operative, while what he did certainly instilled terror. Was he a > > > > > > > fundamentalist, probably not, in the sense of the late Ayatollah > > > > > > > Khomeini or Osama Bin Laden, but held the fundamental belief that > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > should not support, in any way, the indiscriminate slaughter of > > > > > > > innocent Muslims, which is a daily occurrence in the battlefields > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Afghanistan and Iraq. Did he shoot and kill U.S. soldiers? Yes. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > he was wrong by U.S. AND Islamic standards for doing so. He just > > > > > > > cracked and went postal, as it were. Does this action of his > > > > > > > reflect > > > > > > > on anyone else? No, in no way, shape or form! We are all > > > > > > > accountable > > > > > > > for ourselves. Should his actions make you nervous of other > > > > > > > Muslims? > > > > > > > I don't think so. What needs to be looked at, though, is the > > > > > > > 'reasoning' behind the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and, if they > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > not valid (and we all know they're not), then stop the fighting > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > prevent U.S. Muslims from having to support a war against their > > > > > > > brothers-in-faith. Imagine how many Jews would relish fighting a > > > > > > > war > > > > > > > against Israel, or Irish-Americans fighting a war against Ireland? > > > > > > > But those wars aren't the ones we're presented with at the moment; > > > > > > > rather, the > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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