Buzzer goes off, I'm not an Atheist, never claimed to be one, being non religious is not Atheism. What I believe God is may be different from others beliefs. Yes for sure I think the world would be much better without politics and many other things including wealth, an unnecessary state of being. Your interpretations are too micro. I'm not picking on religion per se but it is within the context of this thread, in case you haven't noticed, ie; Muslims um Religion um Islam um Religion um Jihad um Religion.
On Dec 15, 9:00 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Hah I guess then if that is the way you want to go, the same can be > said of any human idea. Your an Atheist, so you too are segmented, we > well know that not all atheists hold similar belives I.E. political so > that to is segmention, so I must wonder why you point the finger at > religion and level charges of segmentaion and nothing else. > > You and I are more seperated idealogical by our politics than by my > faith and your lack of the same. would you say then that you think the > world would be a better place without politics, its segmentation > of societies and a root cause of indifference? Or perhaps the concept > of wealth? That is after all hugely segmentational. Or music, any > other of the arts, the list is seemingly endless, why pick just > religion I wonder? > > On 15 Dec, 14:24, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It remains the same Lee, your faith is segmented ie; not every > > ascribes to your faith. Secondly it is not that religion itself is > > fostering segmentation, it is just something of a byproduct. Many > > religions are segmented within themselves by means of splinter > > groups. Yours is not the only religion to see God in all but it has a > > different name because in someway it is segmented. > > > On Dec 15, 4:37 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > More generalist stuff from you Slip? > > > > While it may appear true that some religions foster segmentation, I am > > > happy to report that my own faith does no such thing and instead > > > concentrates on seeing God in all, so it is indeed opposite to such > > > segmentation. > > > > On 14 Dec, 23:14, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well thanks for the variations in view and the enlightenment on the > > > > situation as a whole, makes the most sense so far. It doesn't change > > > > much for me though, I'm still concerned. The water supply and food > > > > supply could easily be sabotaged by some radical, of course I'm not > > > > implying just that particular strain, it could be any nut job to pull > > > > that one off, like the shoe bomber, Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem, > > > > currently serving a life sentence. He converted to Islam in one of his > > > > earlier prison stints. I've said it before in other threads, I think > > > > the world would be a better place without religion, its segmentation > > > > of societies and a root cause of indifference. My life is so much > > > > more peaceful without it and this concern I have is really rooted in > > > > religious ideology. I find it as annoying and irritating as the > > > > Jehovah Witness knocking on my door on a Saturday morning. Shalom! > > > > > On Dec 14, 6:57 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 11 Dec, 18:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You make is sound so relaxing, Pat. I have to add that I do not > > > > > > know > > > > > > any Muslims and have never met any Muslims which may be one of the > > > > > > reasons for my apprehensions. However, it is not without any basis, > > > > > > ie; the Muslim Major Hasan seemed by "ALL" accounts to be one of > > > > > > the > > > > > > peace loving Muslim persons of whom you speak. Didn't people know > > > > > > him > > > > > > as such, wasn't he in the US Army? Didn't he shoot and kill US > > > > > > Soldiers? Was he a fundamentalist, a radical terrorist? > > > > > > Are we being duped is the real question, are you? > > > > > > Although I don't know Major Hasan, I can 'guess' (which is hardly > > > > > good) that there were conflicts of interest going on in his mind. > > > > > Muslims consider one another brothers--at least brothers in the > > > > > faith. Yet the army is sending U.S. Muslims to kill non-U.S. > > > > > Muslims. This is as much 'brother vs. brother' as we saw in the US > > > > > Civil War, when members of the same family fought on opposing sides. > > > > > It destroyed families for generations. In this case, it's caused a > > > > > conflict of interest in the minds of Muslims who have a duty to their > > > > > Muslim brothers AND a duty to their country. Not all people resolve > > > > > the issue in the same way and some, like Major Hasan I assume, crack > > > > > under the pressure. Remember Hasan's last words before the rampage? > > > > > "Allahu Akhbar", i.e. "God is greater"; i.e., his loyalty to Islam > > > > > took over, although he was so far gone mentally that, while he may > > > > > have got his allegiances correct, his actions were completely opposed > > > > > to the guidance given BY Islam. At that point, it seems he felt it > > > > > was better (and I disagree with him completely, BTW) to fight those > > > > > who were killing his Muslim brothers than to join with them and kill > > > > > his brother Muslims (and/or support the cause that kills his brother > > > > > Muslims). So he indiscriminately started shooting. An act that would > > > > > be considered reprehensible and punishable by death under Shari'a law, > > > > > as what he did was plain murder, i.e., needless killing. What Hasan > > > > > was was someone who cracked under the pressure. He failed the test. > > > > > To pass, he should have resigned his commission from the Army, under > > > > > ANY circumstances, and just gone back to civilian life. But it's > > > > > obvious, from his actions, that he wasn't thinking straight. > > > > > As far as his general motivations, again, I don't know the man. I can > > > > > reckon, though, from his actions that his loyalty to his Muslim > > > > > brothers outweighed his loyalty to the U.S. Army at the time of the > > > > > murders. Personally, I think he was on the verge of the cracking > > > > > point for months but something tipped him over the edge. Exactly > > > > > what, I have no idea. > > > > > Was he a terrorist, probably not, in the sense of an Al-Qaida > > > > > operative, while what he did certainly instilled terror. Was he a > > > > > fundamentalist, probably not, in the sense of the late Ayatollah > > > > > Khomeini or Osama Bin Laden, but held the fundamental belief that he > > > > > should not support, in any way, the indiscriminate slaughter of > > > > > innocent Muslims, which is a daily occurrence in the battlefields of > > > > > Afghanistan and Iraq. Did he shoot and kill U.S. soldiers? Yes. And > > > > > he was wrong by U.S. AND Islamic standards for doing so. He just > > > > > cracked and went postal, as it were. Does this action of his reflect > > > > > on anyone else? No, in no way, shape or form! We are all accountable > > > > > for ourselves. Should his actions make you nervous of other Muslims? > > > > > I don't think so. What needs to be looked at, though, is the > > > > > 'reasoning' behind the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and, if they are > > > > > not valid (and we all know they're not), then stop the fighting and > > > > > prevent U.S. Muslims from having to support a war against their > > > > > brothers-in-faith. Imagine how many Jews would relish fighting a war > > > > > against Israel, or Irish-Americans fighting a war against Ireland? > > > > > But those wars aren't the ones we're presented with at the moment; > > > > > rather, the current wars put the spotlight on Muslims. > > > > > What we should be nervous about is entering into wars that, > > > > > invariably, pit men against men, and THAT will always bring out sub- > > > > > loyalties. There were plenty of Irish-Americans that lent support in > > > > > some fashion to either NI or the IRA. But do we castigate all Irish- > > > > > Americans because of it? Ahh, but they were all Christians. In > > > > > truth, there were IRA supporters that would tell you that the > > > > > Protestants were NOT Christians and the Protestants would tell you > > > > > that the Catholics in the south weren't Christian. So Christians were > > > > > fighting Christians, but they didn't recognise each other's > > > > > Christianity. In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan, though, there is > > > > > no mistake about it, the U.S. Army is forcing U.S. Muslims to either > > > > > directly kill or support the killing of other Muslims, about whom > > > > > there is NO doubt regarding their faith. This will cause problems--it > > > > > has and it will continue to do so. It's a complex problem with a > > > > > simple answer...stop fighting stupid wars and people won't have THAT > > > > > reason to get so distraught. But, as we all know, oil is more > > > > > important than a few (hundred...thousand...million) people. And, yes, > > > > > that previous sentence is seriously sarcastic. > > > > > > > On Dec 11, 7:58 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 11 Dec, 07:04, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Religion is still driving it's wedge into the world. I'm > > > > > > > > beginning to > > > > > > > > become very wary of the intent of Muslim Immigrants. Little > > > > > > > > seeds are > > > > > > > > being planted around the world and Muslim populations are > > > > > > > > growing. > > > > > > > > With the shootings by Muslim Hasan in Fort Hood Texas and now > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Arrest of 5 Muslim teenagers in Pakistan who supposedly are > > > > > > > > American, > > > > > > > > I reject the idea that they were ever American, I'm suspect that > > > > > > > > Muslims around the world are simply carrying out a long term > > > > > > > > infiltration tactic without any desire for citizenship but only > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the goal of the Muslim world. It may take 50 more years but by > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > the Muslim population will be very imposing. > > > > > > > > What do you think of all this Muslim turmoil around the world? > > > > > > > > I know > > > > > > > > it's hard to be politically correct and non judgmental but > > > > > > > > history is > > > > > > > > littered with attempts at world domination. Truth is I'm > > > > > > > > beginning to > > > > > > > > get nervous and simply do not trust Muslims and wonder about > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > true motive. Is it just paranoia, I don't think so. > > > > > > > > Islam IS the fastest growing faith and has been for quite > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
