It remains the same Lee, your faith is segmented ie; not every ascribes to your faith. Secondly it is not that religion itself is fostering segmentation, it is just something of a byproduct. Many religions are segmented within themselves by means of splinter groups. Yours is not the only religion to see God in all but it has a different name because in someway it is segmented.
On Dec 15, 4:37 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > More generalist stuff from you Slip? > > While it may appear true that some religions foster segmentation, I am > happy to report that my own faith does no such thing and instead > concentrates on seeing God in all, so it is indeed opposite to such > segmentation. > > On 14 Dec, 23:14, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well thanks for the variations in view and the enlightenment on the > > situation as a whole, makes the most sense so far. It doesn't change > > much for me though, I'm still concerned. The water supply and food > > supply could easily be sabotaged by some radical, of course I'm not > > implying just that particular strain, it could be any nut job to pull > > that one off, like the shoe bomber, Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem, > > currently serving a life sentence. He converted to Islam in one of his > > earlier prison stints. I've said it before in other threads, I think > > the world would be a better place without religion, its segmentation > > of societies and a root cause of indifference. My life is so much > > more peaceful without it and this concern I have is really rooted in > > religious ideology. I find it as annoying and irritating as the > > Jehovah Witness knocking on my door on a Saturday morning. Shalom! > > > On Dec 14, 6:57 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 11 Dec, 18:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You make is sound so relaxing, Pat. I have to add that I do not know > > > > any Muslims and have never met any Muslims which may be one of the > > > > reasons for my apprehensions. However, it is not without any basis, > > > > ie; the Muslim Major Hasan seemed by "ALL" accounts to be one of the > > > > peace loving Muslim persons of whom you speak. Didn't people know him > > > > as such, wasn't he in the US Army? Didn't he shoot and kill US > > > > Soldiers? Was he a fundamentalist, a radical terrorist? > > > > Are we being duped is the real question, are you? > > > > Although I don't know Major Hasan, I can 'guess' (which is hardly > > > good) that there were conflicts of interest going on in his mind. > > > Muslims consider one another brothers--at least brothers in the > > > faith. Yet the army is sending U.S. Muslims to kill non-U.S. > > > Muslims. This is as much 'brother vs. brother' as we saw in the US > > > Civil War, when members of the same family fought on opposing sides. > > > It destroyed families for generations. In this case, it's caused a > > > conflict of interest in the minds of Muslims who have a duty to their > > > Muslim brothers AND a duty to their country. Not all people resolve > > > the issue in the same way and some, like Major Hasan I assume, crack > > > under the pressure. Remember Hasan's last words before the rampage? > > > "Allahu Akhbar", i.e. "God is greater"; i.e., his loyalty to Islam > > > took over, although he was so far gone mentally that, while he may > > > have got his allegiances correct, his actions were completely opposed > > > to the guidance given BY Islam. At that point, it seems he felt it > > > was better (and I disagree with him completely, BTW) to fight those > > > who were killing his Muslim brothers than to join with them and kill > > > his brother Muslims (and/or support the cause that kills his brother > > > Muslims). So he indiscriminately started shooting. An act that would > > > be considered reprehensible and punishable by death under Shari'a law, > > > as what he did was plain murder, i.e., needless killing. What Hasan > > > was was someone who cracked under the pressure. He failed the test. > > > To pass, he should have resigned his commission from the Army, under > > > ANY circumstances, and just gone back to civilian life. But it's > > > obvious, from his actions, that he wasn't thinking straight. > > > As far as his general motivations, again, I don't know the man. I can > > > reckon, though, from his actions that his loyalty to his Muslim > > > brothers outweighed his loyalty to the U.S. Army at the time of the > > > murders. Personally, I think he was on the verge of the cracking > > > point for months but something tipped him over the edge. Exactly > > > what, I have no idea. > > > Was he a terrorist, probably not, in the sense of an Al-Qaida > > > operative, while what he did certainly instilled terror. Was he a > > > fundamentalist, probably not, in the sense of the late Ayatollah > > > Khomeini or Osama Bin Laden, but held the fundamental belief that he > > > should not support, in any way, the indiscriminate slaughter of > > > innocent Muslims, which is a daily occurrence in the battlefields of > > > Afghanistan and Iraq. Did he shoot and kill U.S. soldiers? Yes. And > > > he was wrong by U.S. AND Islamic standards for doing so. He just > > > cracked and went postal, as it were. Does this action of his reflect > > > on anyone else? No, in no way, shape or form! We are all accountable > > > for ourselves. Should his actions make you nervous of other Muslims? > > > I don't think so. What needs to be looked at, though, is the > > > 'reasoning' behind the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and, if they are > > > not valid (and we all know they're not), then stop the fighting and > > > prevent U.S. Muslims from having to support a war against their > > > brothers-in-faith. Imagine how many Jews would relish fighting a war > > > against Israel, or Irish-Americans fighting a war against Ireland? > > > But those wars aren't the ones we're presented with at the moment; > > > rather, the current wars put the spotlight on Muslims. > > > What we should be nervous about is entering into wars that, > > > invariably, pit men against men, and THAT will always bring out sub- > > > loyalties. There were plenty of Irish-Americans that lent support in > > > some fashion to either NI or the IRA. But do we castigate all Irish- > > > Americans because of it? Ahh, but they were all Christians. In > > > truth, there were IRA supporters that would tell you that the > > > Protestants were NOT Christians and the Protestants would tell you > > > that the Catholics in the south weren't Christian. So Christians were > > > fighting Christians, but they didn't recognise each other's > > > Christianity. In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan, though, there is > > > no mistake about it, the U.S. Army is forcing U.S. Muslims to either > > > directly kill or support the killing of other Muslims, about whom > > > there is NO doubt regarding their faith. This will cause problems--it > > > has and it will continue to do so. It's a complex problem with a > > > simple answer...stop fighting stupid wars and people won't have THAT > > > reason to get so distraught. But, as we all know, oil is more > > > important than a few (hundred...thousand...million) people. And, yes, > > > that previous sentence is seriously sarcastic. > > > > > On Dec 11, 7:58 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 11 Dec, 07:04, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Religion is still driving it's wedge into the world. I'm beginning > > > > > > to > > > > > > become very wary of the intent of Muslim Immigrants. Little seeds > > > > > > are > > > > > > being planted around the world and Muslim populations are growing. > > > > > > With the shootings by Muslim Hasan in Fort Hood Texas and now the > > > > > > Arrest of 5 Muslim teenagers in Pakistan who supposedly are > > > > > > American, > > > > > > I reject the idea that they were ever American, I'm suspect that > > > > > > Muslims around the world are simply carrying out a long term > > > > > > infiltration tactic without any desire for citizenship but only for > > > > > > the goal of the Muslim world. It may take 50 more years but by then > > > > > > the Muslim population will be very imposing. > > > > > > What do you think of all this Muslim turmoil around the world? I > > > > > > know > > > > > > it's hard to be politically correct and non judgmental but history > > > > > > is > > > > > > littered with attempts at world domination. Truth is I'm beginning > > > > > > to > > > > > > get nervous and simply do not trust Muslims and wonder about their > > > > > > true motive. Is it just paranoia, I don't think so. > > > > > > Islam IS the fastest growing faith and has been for quite some time. > > > > > This is, mostly, due to the fact that Muslims have Muslim children > > > > > (funnily enough) and the growth rate is more down to general > > > > > population growth than conversion rates; that said, there are more and > > > > > more converts as well. So why, then, is that? [that's not a > > > > > rhetorical question but an invitation to fully investigate Islam for > > > > > yourself to discover what there is about it that might attract people > > > > > TO it.] > > > > > What is it about Islam that worries you? The religion itself does not > > > > > promote terrorism, but change through dialogue, so the 'terrorists' > > > > > aren't REALLY 'true Muslims'--they are apostates who have been led > > > > > astray--they are as brainwashed as any follower of Jim Jones or David > > > > > Koresh. Don't be afraid of Muslims--they are simply people who > > > > > acknowledge that it is God that runs the show here on Earth (and, as > > > > > far as I can tell, that is a correct belief!). Rather, be afraid of > > > > > fundamentalism of any variety, for it is fundamentalism--that branch > > > > > of any faith that says, "We're correct and everyone else needs to die > > > > > so that only those that think correctly are left." That was never the > > > > > premiss of Islam, as the Qur'an itself states that religion should not > > > > > be forced on anyone. These fundamentalists feed on our fears. So, > > > > > you're playing into their hands with your mistrust of Muslims, as they > > > > > are, for the vast majority, just like everyone else on the planet-- > > > > > trying to just get through another day. Take each one as they present > > > > > themselves to you. If you want to react in a Christian fashion > > > > > towards them, then that would > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
