Every parroting rides on an interpretation, I would say ! On Dec 18, 9:04 am, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > OM, when I read, “...those who *do* embrace a specific ‘revelation’ > without knowing its substance would by necessity just parrot the words > of their selected ‘master’...” I was reminded of the many who claim > to embrace a revelation but who parrot various popular > *interpretations* of that which was revealed. If they would rid > themselves of the opinions of others, and study the revelation itself, > they would move towards wisdom (and away from “sheepdom”) When > heinous acts are carried out “in the name of” Muhammad, or Christ, or > Judaism, etc., that is what I consider “Taking the the Lord's name in > vain.” Such acts are the result of the perversion of religion. > “Religion should unite all hearts and cause wars and disputes to > vanish from the face of the earth, give birth to spirituality, and > bring life and light to each heart. If religion becomes a cause of > dislike, hatred and division, it were better to be without it, and to > withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act.” - > Abdu'l-Bahá > > On Dec 17, 12:20 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Then perhaps I entirely miss your point Lee….sorry. > > > As to anything ‘revealed’, a methodology I do not embrace as it is > > commonly understood, in the particular, those who *do* embrace a > > specific ‘revelation’ without knowing its substance would by necessity > > just parrot the words of their selected ‘master’…in this case, words > > from one who spoke apparently *prior* to the advent of your theology. > > This is in no way puzzling to me. > > > On Dec 17, 9:15 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Naaa not at all OM. As I say I just find it odd, considering the > > > simularties. Realise also that I have provided just one example, I > > > have had a good old look at the Bah'i faith over the last ten odd > > > years or so, I have asked this question of many followers of the > > > faith, they don't know either. > > > > My suspicion is that the founders just didn't know that such a thing > > > as Sikhi existed, which again I find odd in an reveled faith. > > > > All in all my overriding feeling, is 'Umm now that's a bit odd'. > > > > On 17 Dec, 17:08, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So, your point is that even though the term “including” is used while > > > > listing a line of prophets, the use of the term ‘most recent’ sticks > > > > in your craw since you view your 10 prophets as being newer?..and thus > > > > excluded based upon the previous words? > > > > > On Dec 17, 8:07 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Nope OM I think not. > > > > > >http://www.bahai.org.uk/gi/intro.htm > > > > > > The sallient part of this page is this: > > > > > > 'Bahá’ís believe that Bahá'u'lláh is the most recent in the long line > > > > > of divinely inspired prophets and messengers of God – including > > > > > Zoroaster, Moses, the Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. Bahá’u’lláh has > > > > > brought teachings that address the particular moral and spiritual > > > > > challenges of the modern world. But he explicitly states that there > > > > > will be further messengers from God in the future.' > > > > > > No mention of any of the ten Sikh Guru's there. Which I have always > > > > > found odd as ther are many simularities, and of course Sikhi itself is > > > > > merely 600 years old. Not that I mind, I just find it odd is all. > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 14:53, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Lee, perhaps your assumption is in error? > > > > > > >http://search.bahai.org/main/?query=sikh > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 5:40 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ahhhhhh the rhetoric of a follower of the Baha'i faith umm? > > > > > > > > Allow me to add my welcome to you Sir or Madam? > > > > > > > > You say that: > > > > > > > > 'It unites all cultures, all races, all religions in a unity that > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fosters diversity. It inspires creative thought, in arts, and > > > > > > > crafts, > > > > > > > sciences and technology, but tempers these with the wisdom of > > > > > > > service > > > > > > > to all humankind and to this living world we inhabit. > > > > > > > Individuals are > > > > > > > urged to earn the means of living through paths of such service.' > > > > > > > > Then parhaps you are the very person to answer me this. You see I > > > > > > > have long been asking this question of those of the Baha'i faith > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > as of yet, no answer. > > > > > > > > The above sounds very much some other religion I know of, a faith > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > preaches the unity of all, the idea that God is prevalent through > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > the creation, that meditation upon God and service to humanity is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > key. I speak of Sikhi, and I have always wondered why no mention > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the Sikh Guru's? > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 03:16, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The binary reply is 1, but your explication calls for more: > > > > > > > > The human world has seen many cycles since Zoroaster, and > > > > > > > > before as > > > > > > > > well. Since our ancestors became creative, and left the cradle > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Africa, cycles of enlightenment and the path toward Unity have > > > > > > > > dawned > > > > > > > > and turned round to nights of superstition, injustice and > > > > > > > > divisiveness. There may have been such cycles before as well: > > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > all life was single-celled organisms. These joined in > > > > > > > > colonies, the > > > > > > > > collective goo supporting each member. Differentiation > > > > > > > > occurred, > > > > > > > > parasites became symbiotes, bacteria became organelles, and > > > > > > > > complex > > > > > > > > cells formed tissues and organs. In the light of this lengthy > > > > > > > > evolution of life, the history of man is the cycle of one > > > > > > > > breath, > > > > > > > > those aforementioned cycles like heartbeats or eye blinks. > > > > > > > > The science, history, literature and logics taught to a child > > > > > > > > of 5 > > > > > > > > should fit her capacities, but form a basis for lessons in later > > > > > > > > years. Know-it-all youth are creative and bold, but likely to > > > > > > > > wreck > > > > > > > > the car and even die from such ignorant action. Hard lessons > > > > > > > > can lead > > > > > > > > to desire for ways that lead to happiness, beyond mere glandular > > > > > > > > stimulation. > > > > > > > > I am saying that as we have grown in population and power, hard > > > > > > > > lessons will force maturity on the species. There is a > > > > > > > > teaching of > > > > > > > > recent origin, and relevant light for the darkness of our > > > > > > > > times. It > > > > > > > > has spread to all nations. It unites all cultures, all races, > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > religions in a unity that that fosters diversity. It inspires > > > > > > > > creative > > > > > > > > thought, in arts, and crafts, sciences and technology, but > > > > > > > > tempers > > > > > > > > these with the wisdom of service to all humankind and to this > > > > > > > > living > > > > > > > > world we inhabit. Individuals are urged to earn the means of > > > > > > > > living > > > > > > > > through paths of such service. (For me, that would be through > > > > > > > > the art > > > > > > > > of the theater, and perhaps as a theoretician's assistant.) > > > > > > > > “The distinguishing feature that marketh the preeminent > > > > > > > > character > > > > > > > > of this Supreme Revelation consisteth in that We have, on the > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > hand, blotted out from the pages of God’s holy Book whatsoever > > > > > > > > hath > > > > > > > > been the cause of strife, of malice and mischief amongst the > > > > > > > > children > > > > > > > > of men, and have, on the other, laid down the essential > > > > > > > > prerequisites > > > > > > > > of concord, of understanding, of complete and enduring unity.” > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Bahá’u’lláh > > > > > > > > > On Dec 16, 9:02 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Cell, without wishing to sound too skeptical and as ideal as > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > presentation is, has not your ‘tree of life’, the knowledge > > > > > > > > > of radical > > > > > > > > > unity been known countless times over the course of human > > > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > > > already, starting with Zoroaster? I ask this in a rather > > > > > > > > > rhetorical > > > > > > > > > sense because it appears to be the historical truth, yet > > > > > > > > > somehow, this > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the one became polluted as demonstrated by the > > > > > > > > > majority of > > > > > > > > > history. In this way, while its truth remains, its awareness > > > > > > > > > cyclically becomes covered over with the resulting human > > > > > > > > > issues > > > > > > > > > manifesting. So, in order to ask an actual question of you, > > > > > > > > > are you > > > > > > > > > suggesting that a new era, a dawning of unity is upon us, and > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > this era will remain rather than come and go? > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 6:49 pm, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Muhammad Yunus that “poverty is not part of > > > > > > > > > > human being”, > > > > > > > > > > and that it is possible to eliminate poverty. I believe > > > > > > > > > > that, as the > > > > > > > > > > population of humans on the planet increases, and as we > > > > > > > > > > humans gain > > > > > > > > > > increasing technological power to change the environment > > > > > > > > > > (for good or > > > > > > > > > > ill), there will inevitably come a time when it will be > > > > > > > > > > generally > > > > > > > > > > recognized that the current patterns of organization of > > > > > > > > > > human society > > > > > > > > > > and endeavor are seriously defective. Unfortunately, a > > > > > > > > > > severe and > > > > > > > > > > indisputably man-made global calamity may have to occur > > > > > > > > > > before this > > > > > > > > > > realization occurs. I fear that we may even have be thrown > > > > > > > > > > into such > > > > > > > > > > chaos that none of the current systems can even function. > > > > > > > > > > In any > > > > > > > > > > case, I believe that after this chaos, a new system will > > > > > > > > > > grow. > > > > > > > > > > I believe I have seen the seeds of this new system, and it > > > > > > > > > > is based in > > > > > > > > > > the knowledge that all of mankind is one: that not only are > > > > > > > > > > we all > > > > > > > > > > equal in a fundamental sense, but that our many differences > > > > > > > > > > compliment > > > > > > > > > > each other. That we are all as leaves of the same tree. > > > > > > > > > > Universal > > > > > > > > > > education > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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