Working hay was back-breakingly hard, though I miss the old days at Warby's farm. The best bit was the pint that didn't touch the sides after the morning's toil and realising Warby had demolished half-a- crate of Carlsberg Special Brew before your glass reached the bar empty. Only his Shire horses could do more work than him. These days he just breeds the horses and makes a mess of Special Brew stocks in the evening. The hay has gone, replaced by silage. I suspect the tough lessons of over-population will be war (again). David Kelly was B'Hai and he seems to have been killed by government. They are persecuted in Iran too. Bahaullah sounds remarkably like one of Lee's favourite cries without the 'ws'. Be careful of men in dark suits and invitations to walks in woods mate! B'Hai is inspiring, but not good for the health of scientists. Are you claiming to be 600 years old Lee? This will still leave you some way behind Orn and me, who are as old as the hills!
On 17 Dec, 16:07, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Nope OM I think not. > > http://www.bahai.org.uk/gi/intro.htm > > The sallient part of this page is this: > > 'Bahá’ís believe that Bahá'u'lláh is the most recent in the long line > of divinely inspired prophets and messengers of God – including > Zoroaster, Moses, the Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. Bahá’u’lláh has > brought teachings that address the particular moral and spiritual > challenges of the modern world. But he explicitly states that there > will be further messengers from God in the future.' > > No mention of any of the ten Sikh Guru's there. Which I have always > found odd as ther are many simularities, and of course Sikhi itself is > merely 600 years old. Not that I mind, I just find it odd is all. > > On 17 Dec, 14:53, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Lee, perhaps your assumption is in error? > > >http://search.bahai.org/main/?query=sikh > > > On Dec 17, 5:40 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ahhhhhh the rhetoric of a follower of the Baha'i faith umm? > > > > Allow me to add my welcome to you Sir or Madam? > > > > You say that: > > > > 'It unites all cultures, all races, all religions in a unity that that > > > fosters diversity. It inspires creative thought, in arts, and crafts, > > > sciences and technology, but tempers these with the wisdom of service > > > to all humankind and to this living world we inhabit. Individuals are > > > urged to earn the means of living through paths of such service.' > > > > Then parhaps you are the very person to answer me this. You see I > > > have long been asking this question of those of the Baha'i faith and > > > as of yet, no answer. > > > > The above sounds very much some other religion I know of, a faith that > > > preaches the unity of all, the idea that God is prevalent through out > > > the creation, that meditation upon God and service to humanity is the > > > key. I speak of Sikhi, and I have always wondered why no mention of > > > the Sikh Guru's? > > > > On 17 Dec, 03:16, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The binary reply is 1, but your explication calls for more: > > > > The human world has seen many cycles since Zoroaster, and before as > > > > well. Since our ancestors became creative, and left the cradle of > > > > Africa, cycles of enlightenment and the path toward Unity have dawned > > > > and turned round to nights of superstition, injustice and > > > > divisiveness. There may have been such cycles before as well: Once > > > > all life was single-celled organisms. These joined in colonies, the > > > > collective goo supporting each member. Differentiation occurred, > > > > parasites became symbiotes, bacteria became organelles, and complex > > > > cells formed tissues and organs. In the light of this lengthy > > > > evolution of life, the history of man is the cycle of one breath, > > > > those aforementioned cycles like heartbeats or eye blinks. > > > > The science, history, literature and logics taught to a child of 5 > > > > should fit her capacities, but form a basis for lessons in later > > > > years. Know-it-all youth are creative and bold, but likely to wreck > > > > the car and even die from such ignorant action. Hard lessons can lead > > > > to desire for ways that lead to happiness, beyond mere glandular > > > > stimulation. > > > > I am saying that as we have grown in population and power, hard > > > > lessons will force maturity on the species. There is a teaching of > > > > recent origin, and relevant light for the darkness of our times. It > > > > has spread to all nations. It unites all cultures, all races, all > > > > religions in a unity that that fosters diversity. It inspires creative > > > > thought, in arts, and crafts, sciences and technology, but tempers > > > > these with the wisdom of service to all humankind and to this living > > > > world we inhabit. Individuals are urged to earn the means of living > > > > through paths of such service. (For me, that would be through the art > > > > of the theater, and perhaps as a theoretician's assistant.) > > > > “The distinguishing feature that marketh the preeminent character > > > > of this Supreme Revelation consisteth in that We have, on the one > > > > hand, blotted out from the pages of God’s holy Book whatsoever hath > > > > been the cause of strife, of malice and mischief amongst the children > > > > of men, and have, on the other, laid down the essential prerequisites > > > > of concord, of understanding, of complete and enduring unity.” - > > > > Bahá’u’lláh > > > > > On Dec 16, 9:02 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Cell, without wishing to sound too skeptical and as ideal as your > > > > > presentation is, has not your ‘tree of life’, the knowledge of radical > > > > > unity been known countless times over the course of human history > > > > > already, starting with Zoroaster? I ask this in a rather rhetorical > > > > > sense because it appears to be the historical truth, yet somehow, this > > > > > wisdom of the one became polluted as demonstrated by the majority of > > > > > history. In this way, while its truth remains, its awareness > > > > > cyclically becomes covered over with the resulting human issues > > > > > manifesting. So, in order to ask an actual question of you, are you > > > > > suggesting that a new era, a dawning of unity is upon us, and that > > > > > this era will remain rather than come and go? > > > > > > On Dec 15, 6:49 pm, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with Muhammad Yunus that “poverty is not part of human > > > > > > being”, > > > > > > and that it is possible to eliminate poverty. I believe that, as > > > > > > the > > > > > > population of humans on the planet increases, and as we humans gain > > > > > > increasing technological power to change the environment (for good > > > > > > or > > > > > > ill), there will inevitably come a time when it will be generally > > > > > > recognized that the current patterns of organization of human > > > > > > society > > > > > > and endeavor are seriously defective. Unfortunately, a severe and > > > > > > indisputably man-made global calamity may have to occur before this > > > > > > realization occurs. I fear that we may even have be thrown into > > > > > > such > > > > > > chaos that none of the current systems can even function. In any > > > > > > case, I believe that after this chaos, a new system will grow. > > > > > > I believe I have seen the seeds of this new system, and it is based > > > > > > in > > > > > > the knowledge that all of mankind is one: that not only are we all > > > > > > equal in a fundamental sense, but that our many differences > > > > > > compliment > > > > > > each other. That we are all as leaves of the same tree. Universal > > > > > > education in literature, sciences and arts is a necessary component > > > > > > of > > > > > > this system. I have also observed, and participated in, a form of > > > > > > decision making which creates solutions through the sharing of ideas > > > > > > until a consensus is reached (the emphasis being on the creative > > > > > > part, > > > > > > as no one goes into the process attached to any particular > > > > > > solution.) > > > > > > I will not go into any more details of this system at this time, > > > > > > except to say that there are a few villages that have adopted the > > > > > > principals of this system and are currently thriving as the people > > > > > > work together in cooperation instead of competition. > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 9:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > A very interesting view: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > MUHAMMAD YUNUS: I believe that, totally, poverty is not part of > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > being, that is my first premise, so if it not part of human being > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > real human being will emerge some day, it is the stupidity of > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > being that created poverty, so stupidity can not go on, the real > > > > > > > creativity of human being will take over the stupidity and it will > > > > > > > completely eliminate it and this is the century when it will > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > And it can be done, it's not a, a kind of a pipe dream or some > > > > > > > fantastic thing, it's possible because it's us who make the > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > and if we can create the structures to do that; people will raise > > > > > > > themselves out of poverty, just like that. Human beings created > > > > > > > to do > > > > > > > much bigger things than struggle with food and clothes and some > > > > > > > tiny > > > > > > > little thing. These are matters of past, these are pre-historic > > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > Real history will begin when there are no such things. > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > The entire interview is > > > > > > > at:http://www.abc.net.au/tv/elders/transcripts/s2757468.htm-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
