I made a pact with the devil myself GW, but he didn't show. I have generally found him as unreliable as God. I might get to believe in politics if we find a way to redistribute the Haitians, establish decent homes, services and productive jobs. I might even support Pat Robertson if he could do that.
On 14 Jan, 00:01, [email protected] wrote: > Isn't it refreshing to know there are people like Pat Robertson who is > convinced that he is able to scientifically account for catastrophic > occurrences such as the Haitian disaster. He understands that 200 years ago > Haity (I guess he means every Hatian) made a pact with the devil. And now 200 > years ago they are getting their due. Now how come I couldn't have figured > that out for myself.; It is so obvious and neat and clean. If only we had > more thinkers lie him. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 6:31 pm > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: science > > The sum of energy in the universe is often considered as zero. > Science is clearly not just about answers. Most of us would say it is > about asking questions that can be resolved by observation and > experiment, one reason string theories may not qualify as physics > (yet). > Problems in social science often arise because we are dealing with > interpretations rather than 'nature' (though science accepts > observations are theory laden and hence our views on what nature > 'is'). Hence 'hermeneutics', though I feel these are unreliable > rather than 'guaranteeing truth' in Gadamer's dogma. > At some point in any enquiry we are likely to be in a creative > thinking phase in an imagination in which anything goes if we can > think it up. This is needed to break up dogma, even if we end up > putting it together again, perhaps with a better idea of how it works. > The 'observation states' of observers are often excluded from > consideration, generally a mistake across all the disciplines. > There is still a prevalent notion that one can somehow achieve an > objective state of observation and thinking. On analysis, this turns > out to have a great deal to do with manners and connected social > dogmas. General argumentation contains many rhetorical tricks and > plays with words, often to conceal lying and ignorance and present an > objective voice that is nothing of the kind and actually appeals to > ignorance and soaked-up tradition. > Science tries to makes its assumptions patent. Often we get very > precise, as in our understanding of CO2 absorption of long-wave > energies and subsequent photon-puking; but to pretend this in global > warming models (the precision) is not science. Lay people get into a > real mess on this point. > We can only be agnostic about god in thought. This very agnosticism > is probably at the root of scientific consideration of theory and > evidence - the trend is towards consideration of theories as under- > determined by evidence, and evidence as more worthy of epistemic faith > than theory at any time we know of (yet). > None of this rules out consideration of religion. I broadly consider > most of it a mess of lies, but this does not stop me admiring someone > who has found peace and wishes to share that peace (as long as this > doesn't involve daft gestures of walking towards hostile aliens, bible > aloft - though they might be a useful, heroic diversion). > > On 13 Jan, 17:15, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 13 Jan, 15:58, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 13 Jan., 12:21, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Kant? Wasn't he 'the pissant who was very rarely stable'? > > > > "A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed ..." :-) > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQycQ8DABvc > > > Absotively, Posilutely!! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
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