No. Yes. No.

Of course, when using the term ‘always’, strange results “always”
occur!

Being ‘civilized’ and ‘balanced’ as well as being ‘atheists’:
Oprah part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7s89ptz0dA
Oprah part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QS8dROjKNY&feature=related


Even Lou has something to say about it…about 2 min. into the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NEr1XPFfo

Kierkegaard and health care: Part 1 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmApLuz23es&feature=related
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blox8YyCkPo&feature=related

Moore healthcare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSU5n34X18k&feature=related


On Jan 14, 12:42 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> The world seems more religious than ever these days.
>
> Across the Middle East, fervent forms of Islam are growing more
> popular and more politically active. Muslim nations that were somewhat
> secularized 40 years ago - like Lebanon and Iran - are now teeming
> with fundamentalism. In Turkey and Egypt, increasing numbers of women
> are turning to the veil as an overt manifestation of reinvigorated
> religious commitment. But it isn't just in the Muslim world that
> religion is thriving. From Brazil to El Salvador, Protestant
> evangelicalism is spreading with great success, instilling a spirited,
> holy zeal throughout Latin America. Pentecostalism is proliferating,
> too - vigorously - and not only throughout Latin America, but in
> Africa and even, to a lesser extent, China. And many nations of the
> former Soviet Union, which had atheism imposed upon them for decades,
> have emerged from the communist era with their faith not only intact,
> but strong and vibrant. Here in the United States, religion is
> definitely alive and well. In terms of church attendance and belief in
> God, Jesus, and the Bible, religion in the United States is stronger
> and more robust than in most other developed democracies.
>
> In sum, from Nebraska to Nepal, from Georgia to Guatemala, and from
> Utah to Uganda, humans all over the globe are vigorously praising
> various deities; regularly attending services at churches, temples,
> and mosques; persistently studying sacred texts; dutifully performing
> holy rites; energetically carrying out spiritual rituals; soberly
> defending the world from sin; piously fasting; and enthusiastically
> praying and then praying some more, singing, praising, and loving this
> or that savior, prophet, or God.
>
> But that is not occurring everywhere. I am referring to two nations in
> particular, Denmark and Sweden, which are probably the least religious
> countries in the world, and possibly in the history of the world.
> Amidst all this vibrant global piety - atop the vast swelling sea of
> sacredness - Denmark and Sweden float along like small, content,
> durable dinghies of secular life, where most people are nonreligious
> and don't worship Jesus or Vishnu, don't revere sacred texts, don't
> pray, and don't give much credence to the essential dogmas of the
> world's great faiths.
>
> In clean and green Scandinavia, few people speak of God, few people
> spend much time thinking about theological matters, and although their
> media in recent years has done an unusually large amount of reporting
> on religion, even that is offered as an attempt to grapple with and
> make sense of a strange foreign phenomenon out there in the wider
> world that refuses to disappear, a phenomenon that takes on such dire
> significance for everyone - except, well, for Danes and Swedes.
>
> What are societies like when faith in God is minimal, church
> attendance is drastically low, and religion is a distinctly muted and
> marginal aspect of everyday life?
>
> Many people assume that religion is what keeps people moral, that a
> society without God would be hell on earth: rampant with immorality,
> full of evil, and teeming with depravity. But that doesn't seem to be
> the case for Scandinavians in those two countries. Although they may
> have relatively high rates of petty crime and burglary, and although
> these crime rates have been on the rise in recent decades, their
> overall rates of violent crime - including murder, aggravated assault,
> and rape - are among the lowest on earth. Yet the majority of Danes
> and Swedes do not believe that God is "up there," keeping diligent
> tabs on their behavior, slating the good for heaven and the wicked for
> hell. Most Danes and Swedes don't believe that sin permeates the
> world, and that only Jesus, the Son of God, who died for their sins,
> can serve as a remedy. In fact, most Danes and Swedes don't even
> believe in the notion of "sin."
>
> So the typical Dane or Swede doesn't believe all that much in God. And
> simultaneously, they don't commit much murder. But aren't they a dour,
> depressed lot, all the same? Not according to Ruut Veenhoven,
> professor emeritus of social conditions for human happiness at Erasmus
> University Rotterdam. Veenhoven is a leading authority on worldwide
> levels of happiness from country to country. He recently ranked 91
> nations on an international happiness scale, basing his research on
> cumulative scores from numerous worldwide surveys. According to his
> calculations, the country that leads the globe - ranking No. 1 in
> terms of its residents' overall level of happiness - is little,
> peaceful, and relatively godless Denmark.
>
> The connection between religion - or the lack thereof - and societal
> health is admittedly complex. It is difficult to definitively
> establish that secularism is always good for society and religion
> always bad. However, the often posited opposite claim is equally
> difficult to substantiate: that secularism is always bad for a society
> and religion always good. To be sure, in some instances, religion can
> be a strong and positive ingredient in establishing societal health,
> prosperity, and well-being. And when considering what factors
> contribute to the making of a good society, religion can be a positive
> force.
>
> Here in the United States, for example, religious ideals often serve
> as a beneficial counterbalance against the cutthroat brand of
> individualism that can be so rampant and dominating. Religious
> congregations in America serve as community centers, counseling
> providers, and day-care sites. And a significant amount of research
> has shown that moderately religious Americans report greater
> subjective well-being and life satisfaction, greater marital
> satisfaction, better family cohesion, and fewer symptoms of depression
> than the nonreligious. Historically, a proliferation of religious
> devotion, faith in God, and reliance on the Bible has sometimes been a
> determining factor in establishing schools for children, creating
> universities, building hospitals for the sick and homes for the
> homeless, taking care of orphans and the elderly, resisting
> oppression, establishing law and order, and developing democracy.
>
> In other instances, however, religion may not have such positive
> societal effects. It can often be one of the main sources of tension,
> violence, poverty, oppression, inequality, and disorder in a given
> society. A quick perusal of the state of the world will reveal that
> widespread faith in God or strong religious sentiment in a given
> country does not necessarily ensure societal health. After all, many
> of the most religious and faithful nations on earth are simultaneously
> among the most dangerous and destitute. Conversely, a widespread lack
> of faith in God or very low levels of religiosity in a given country
> does not necessarily spell societal ruin. The fact is, the majority of
> the most irreligious democracies are among the most prosperous and
> successful nations on earth.
>
> Just to be perfectly clear here: I am not arguing that the admirably
> high level of societal health in Scandinavia is directly caused by the
> low levels of religiosity. Although one could certainly make such a
> case - arguing that a minimal focus on God and the afterlife, and a
> stronger focus on solving problems of daily life in a rational,
> secular manner have led to positive, successful societal outcomes in
> Scandinavia - that is not the argument I wish to develop here. Rather,
> I simply wish to soberly counter the widely touted assertion that
> without religion, society is doomed.
>
> If you can smell my ax starting to grind here, your nostrils are in
> good working order. The claim that without religion, society is doomed
> deserves to be challenged because, aside from being poor social
> science, it is a highly political claim that is regularly promulgated
> by some of America's most popular and most influential Christian
> conservatives. Those individuals do not represent or speak for the
> majority of believers in America, but together they do constitute a
> formidable and uniquely zealous chorus that reaches the hearts and
> minds of millions of people on a regular basis.
>
> I am referring, for instance, to Pat Robertson, the successful
> televangelist and founder of the Christian Coalition, who regularly
> condemns secularism. And Ann Coulter, the Christian conservative media
> pundit, who has written in one of her best-selling books that
> societies that fail to grasp God's significance are headed toward
> slavery, genocide, and bestiality, and that when Darwinian/
> evolutionary theory is widely accepted in a given society, all
> morality is abandoned. Conservative pundit William J. Bennett has
> argued that "the only reliable answer" for combating societal ills is
> widespread religious faith, and that without religion, a society is
> without "the best and most reliable means to reinforce the good" in
> social life and human relations.
>
> Conservative Christian Americans aren't the only ones who broadcast
> this perspective. Keith Ward, a professor of theology at the
> University of Oxford, has recently argued that societies that lack
> strong religious beliefs are essentially immoral, unfree, and
> irrational. He claims that any nonreligious society without a strong
> belief in God is a society "beyond morality ... and freedom" and
> ultimately predicated upon "the denial of human dignity." John D.
> Caputo, a professor of religion and humanities at Syracuse University,
> has declared that people who are without religion and who do not love
> God are nothing more than selfish louts, thereby implying that a
> society with a preponderance of irreligious people would be a fairly
> loveless, miserable place.
>
> Belief in God may certainly give emotional and psychological comfort
> to the individual believer - especially in times of pain, sadness, or
> uncertainty - and history has clearly shown that religious involvement
> and faith in God can often motivate individuals or cultures to promote
> justice and healthy societal development. But the fact still remains
> that it is not the most religious nations in our world today, but
> rather the most secular, that have been able to create the most civil,
> just, safe, equitable, humane, and prosperous societies. Denmark and
> Sweden stand out as shining examples. The German think tank the Hans-
> Böckler Stiftung recently ranked nations in terms of their success at
> establishing social justice within their societies; Denmark and
> Sweden, two of the least-religious nations in the world, tied for
> first.
>
> It is a great socioreligious irony - for lack of a better term - that
> when we consider the fundamental values and moral imperatives
> contained within the world's great religions, such as caring for the
> sick, the infirm, the elderly, the poor, the orphaned, the vulnerable;
> practicing mercy, charity, and goodwill toward one's fellow human
> beings; and fostering generosity, humility, honesty, and communal
> concern over individual egotism - those traditionally religious values
> are most successfully established, institutionalized, and put into
> practice at the societal level in the most irreligious nations in the
> world today.
>
> Phil Zuckerman is an associate professor of sociology at Pitzer
> College. This essay is adapted from his book Society Without God (New
> York University Press, 2008).
>
> So my friends is believing in God really an answer to harmonious
> living?  Can't we just live and enjoy life?  Do we really need
> religion?
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