Makes a lot of sense Pat. ;-]

On Jan 14, 7:21 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 14 Jan, 08:42, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The world seems more religious than ever these days.
>
> > Across the Middle East, fervent forms of Islam are growing more
> > popular and more politically active. Muslim nations that were somewhat
> > secularized 40 years ago - like Lebanon and Iran - are now teeming
> > with fundamentalism. In Turkey and Egypt, increasing numbers of women
> > are turning to the veil as an overt manifestation of reinvigorated
> > religious commitment. But it isn't just in the Muslim world that
> > religion is thriving. From Brazil to El Salvador, Protestant
> > evangelicalism is spreading with great success, instilling a spirited,
> > holy zeal throughout Latin America. Pentecostalism is proliferating,
> > too - vigorously - and not only throughout Latin America, but in
> > Africa and even, to a lesser extent, China. And many nations of the
> > former Soviet Union, which had atheism imposed upon them for decades,
> > have emerged from the communist era with their faith not only intact,
> > but strong and vibrant. Here in the United States, religion is
> > definitely alive and well. In terms of church attendance and belief in
> > God, Jesus, and the Bible, religion in the United States is stronger
> > and more robust than in most other developed democracies.
>
> > In sum, from Nebraska to Nepal, from Georgia to Guatemala, and from
> > Utah to Uganda, humans all over the globe are vigorously praising
> > various deities; regularly attending services at churches, temples,
> > and mosques; persistently studying sacred texts; dutifully performing
> > holy rites; energetically carrying out spiritual rituals; soberly
> > defending the world from sin; piously fasting; and enthusiastically
> > praying and then praying some more, singing, praising, and loving this
> > or that savior, prophet, or God.
>
> > But that is not occurring everywhere. I am referring to two nations in
> > particular, Denmark and Sweden, which are probably the least religious
> > countries in the world, and possibly in the history of the world.
> > Amidst all this vibrant global piety - atop the vast swelling sea of
> > sacredness - Denmark and Sweden float along like small, content,
> > durable dinghies of secular life, where most people are nonreligious
> > and don't worship Jesus or Vishnu, don't revere sacred texts, don't
> > pray, and don't give much credence to the essential dogmas of the
> > world's great faiths.
>
> > In clean and green Scandinavia, few people speak of God, few people
> > spend much time thinking about theological matters, and although their
> > media in recent years has done an unusually large amount of reporting
> > on religion, even that is offered as an attempt to grapple with and
> > make sense of a strange foreign phenomenon out there in the wider
> > world that refuses to disappear, a phenomenon that takes on such dire
> > significance for everyone - except, well, for Danes and Swedes.
>
> > What are societies like when faith in God is minimal, church
> > attendance is drastically low, and religion is a distinctly muted and
> > marginal aspect of everyday life?
>
> > Many people assume that religion is what keeps people moral, that a
> > society without God would be hell on earth: rampant with immorality,
> > full of evil, and teeming with depravity. But that doesn't seem to be
> > the case for Scandinavians in those two countries. Although they may
> > have relatively high rates of petty crime and burglary, and although
> > these crime rates have been on the rise in recent decades, their
> > overall rates of violent crime - including murder, aggravated assault,
> > and rape - are among the lowest on earth. Yet the majority of Danes
> > and Swedes do not believe that God is "up there," keeping diligent
> > tabs on their behavior, slating the good for heaven and the wicked for
> > hell. Most Danes and Swedes don't believe that sin permeates the
> > world, and that only Jesus, the Son of God, who died for their sins,
> > can serve as a remedy. In fact, most Danes and Swedes don't even
> > believe in the notion of "sin."
>
> > So the typical Dane or Swede doesn't believe all that much in God. And
> > simultaneously, they don't commit much murder. But aren't they a dour,
> > depressed lot, all the same? Not according to Ruut Veenhoven,
> > professor emeritus of social conditions for human happiness at Erasmus
> > University Rotterdam. Veenhoven is a leading authority on worldwide
> > levels of happiness from country to country. He recently ranked 91
> > nations on an international happiness scale, basing his research on
> > cumulative scores from numerous worldwide surveys. According to his
> > calculations, the country that leads the globe - ranking No. 1 in
> > terms of its residents' overall level of happiness - is little,
> > peaceful, and relatively godless Denmark.
>
> > The connection between religion - or the lack thereof - and societal
> > health is admittedly complex. It is difficult to definitively
> > establish that secularism is always good for society and religion
> > always bad. However, the often posited opposite claim is equally
> > difficult to substantiate: that secularism is always bad for a society
> > and religion always good. To be sure, in some instances, religion can
> > be a strong and positive ingredient in establishing societal health,
> > prosperity, and well-being. And when considering what factors
> > contribute to the making of a good society, religion can be a positive
> > force.
>
> > Here in the United States, for example, religious ideals often serve
> > as a beneficial counterbalance against the cutthroat brand of
> > individualism that can be so rampant and dominating. Religious
> > congregations in America serve as community centers, counseling
> > providers, and day-care sites. And a significant amount of research
> > has shown that moderately religious Americans report greater
> > subjective well-being and life satisfaction, greater marital
> > satisfaction, better family cohesion, and fewer symptoms of depression
> > than the nonreligious. Historically, a proliferation of religious
> > devotion, faith in God, and reliance on the Bible has sometimes been a
> > determining factor in establishing schools for children, creating
> > universities, building hospitals for the sick and homes for the
> > homeless, taking care of orphans and the elderly, resisting
> > oppression, establishing law and order, and developing democracy.
>
> > In other instances, however, religion may not have such positive
> > societal effects. It can often be one of the main sources of tension,
> > violence, poverty, oppression, inequality, and disorder in a given
> > society. A quick perusal of the state of the world will reveal that
> > widespread faith in God or strong religious sentiment in a given
> > country does not necessarily ensure societal health. After all, many
> > of the most religious and faithful nations on earth are simultaneously
> > among the most dangerous and destitute. Conversely, a widespread lack
> > of faith in God or very low levels of religiosity in a given country
> > does not necessarily spell societal ruin. The fact is, the majority of
> > the most irreligious democracies are among the most prosperous and
> > successful nations on earth.
>
> > Just to be perfectly clear here: I am not arguing that the admirably
> > high level of societal health in Scandinavia is directly caused by the
> > low levels of religiosity. Although one could certainly make such a
> > case - arguing that a minimal focus on God and the afterlife, and a
> > stronger focus on solving problems of daily life in a rational,
> > secular manner have led to positive, successful societal outcomes in
> > Scandinavia - that is not the argument I wish to develop here. Rather,
> > I simply wish to soberly counter the widely touted assertion that
> > without religion, society is doomed.
>
> > If you can smell my ax starting to grind here, your nostrils are in
> > good working order. The claim that without religion, society is doomed
> > deserves to be challenged because, aside from being poor social
> > science, it is a highly political claim that is regularly promulgated
> > by some of America's most popular and most influential Christian
> > conservatives. Those individuals do not represent or speak for the
> > majority of believers in America, but together they do constitute a
> > formidable and uniquely zealous chorus that reaches the hearts and
> > minds of millions of people on a regular basis.
>
> > I am referring, for instance, to Pat Robertson, the successful
> > televangelist and founder of the Christian Coalition, who regularly
> > condemns secularism. And Ann Coulter, the Christian conservative media
> > pundit, who has written in one of her best-selling books that
> > societies that fail to grasp God's significance are headed toward
> > slavery, genocide, and bestiality, and that when Darwinian/
> > evolutionary theory is widely accepted in a given society, all
> > morality is abandoned. Conservative pundit William J. Bennett has
> > argued that "the only reliable answer" for combating societal ills is
> > widespread religious faith, and that without religion, a society is
> > without "the best and most reliable means to reinforce the good" in
> > social life and human relations.
>
> > Conservative Christian Americans aren't the only ones who broadcast
> > this perspective. Keith Ward, a professor of theology at the
> > University of Oxford, has recently argued that societies that lack
> > strong religious beliefs are essentially immoral, unfree, and
> > irrational. He claims that any nonreligious society without a strong
> > belief in God is a society "beyond morality ... and freedom" and
> > ultimately predicated upon "the denial of human dignity." John D.
> > Caputo, a professor of religion and humanities at Syracuse University,
> > has declared that people who are without religion and who do not love
> > God are nothing more than selfish louts, thereby implying that a
> > society with a preponderance of irreligious people would be a fairly
> > loveless, miserable place.
>
> > Belief in God may certainly give emotional and psychological comfort
> > to
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