On 27 Jan, 12:57, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > The other thread in which we toss about your theses, Pat, brought to > mind this quote from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: ""In ignorance the seer > becomes the seen and in wisdom he is the seeing." It is your ability > to articulate your seeing that I admire most in here. In terms of > death, it makes me wonder what this difference in position would mean > to us at the moment of death. If we are entrenched in the seen, the > story, the details, the fears...the experience will be very different > than one in the position of "seeing." >
Funnily enough, I was thinking along similar lines last night. As I'm sure I've mentioned, I've been having periodic migraines over the last year. Some of which have lasted for several days and have resulted in weight loss (about 25 lbs since March of 2009) as I've not been able to eat or keep anything down during these periods as it comes right back up. I don't want to put anyone off their food, but we've all thrown up before. Lately, when I get to the point where I've been chucking every 15-30 minutes for over 2 days, I start laughing about it. I take the opportunity to escape to 'The Witness' and view it all from that vantage point. When there, I can chuckle and chuck at the same time. I know it's a temporary thing at the time and I know that it WILL end, so why be miserable about it? I view it as a blessing, much like I view my penury and relative isolation when I'm at home. Why should I trouble myself over being sick when I know that it will either end and I'll get better or it will end with my death? Either way, it WILL end. That's part of the beauty of space-time; our time here is only temporary...by definition!! It's been a few weeks, now, since I've had one, but, I'm kind of looking forward to the next one, because it gives me that opportunity to use that 'Witness' angle in a practical way. Although, I must make sure to only laugh mentally, otherwise, the stuff is even MORE likely to spurt forth from one's nose (as I found out on the first occassion!). ;-) > On Jan 26, 8:45 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 25 Jan, 16:52, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't know about death being "easy" Pat. My father lost his memory > > > to Alzheimers before the age of 50, and lingered on this earth without > > > short or long term memory, control of body function or emotional > > > recognition for seven more years. I often wonder if folks in this > > > position are just place holders for death in some way, their continued > > > purpose for living incomprehensible. Is there something going on at > > > the level of the unseen or soul, that keeps them here on the outskirts > > > of life, and at the same time, out of the final reach of death - but > > > firmly in its clutches? > > > Ahh, that's 'dying'!! Dying is before death and dying may be very > > long and painful. Death itself IS easy. Only the One knows the > > answer to your last question. Next time(!) I see Azrael (the > > Messenger/Angel OF the One that deals with issues related to death), > > I'll ask him. I didn't get much of a chance to say anything on our > > first encounter. And, no, I'm NOT being facetious about that. I'm > > revealing a tad bit of one of my 'more convincing' experiences. At > > that time, I was only told (actually, the words were impressed on my > > mind...I 'heard' nothing) that I had been dealt a danger. But I was > > able to put two and two together and realised from where the threat > > came and I'm still alive, but the the person who posed the threat at > > THAT time is no longer. Since that time, I consider ol' Azzy to be > > one of my Guardians. Those who may think I'm completely bonkers, > > well, you had to be there; and, if you had, you would have, unlike > > myself, wet yourselves. To me, it was just one of those things. > > > > On Jan 21, 8:35 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 21 Jan, 00:10, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I see it very similar, Pat, the understanding of the individual and > > > > > the ability to accept death and the resignation to it. Fear of death > > > > > may also bring about the need to fight the inevitable, which for even > > > > > the healthy is a fruitless endeavor. For sure religion has no bearing > > > > > on anything because anyone and everyone knows that this is a temporary > > > > > life. Belief in afterlife or not doesn't change the "end". > > > > > Personally I'm looking forward to all the virgins. Actually, I'm not > > > > > as fearful of death as I am of life in these parts of the universe. I > > > > > just don't see the big deal with dying, for me it is just the end of a > > > > > ride before the next ride. I think I'll just Tie-Dye. > > > > > As I've heard somewhere...Death, that's a doddle; it's one of the > > > > easiest things you'll do. About those virgins, it never states that > > > > you get to interact with them in any sexual way. If you DID, they'd > > > > lose that virginity, now, wouldn't they? ;-) > > > > > > On Jan 20, 5:54 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 19 Jan, 15:20, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Always a personal choice, yes. Yet some deaths seem so much more > > > > > > > peaceful. My own mother came home from vacation, entered the > > > > > > > hospital > > > > > > > not feeling well, and died from a recurrence of cancer in three > > > > > > > days, > > > > > > > just enough time to gather her family, and all seven children > > > > > > > (spouses > > > > > > > and some grandchildren) were there at the final, peaceful moment. > > > > > > > > My mother in law fought it all the way, requiring greater amounts > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > meds to keep her calm, languishing for months. The person we > > > > > > > knew was > > > > > > > gone months before that moment. > > > > > > > > I wonder what it is we bring to the moment that makes the > > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > I can only think that it's the individual's understanding of the > > > > > > process. And that includes Lee's 'fear' element, as well as any > > > > > > religious/non-religious beliefs ABOUT death. Both the religious and > > > > > > non-religious could have perfectly good reasons for not fearing it: > > > > > > the religious, because they believe that there is a life-after-death > > > > > > and their belief that they will experience a 'good' afterlife based > > > > > > on > > > > > > their beliefs about their own deeds during life and the > > > > > > non-religious, > > > > > > as they (MAY) expect absolutely nothing to follow, which, if true, > > > > > > would be nothing to fear. > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 9:11 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's just gota be a personal thing hasn't it? > > > > > > > > > My Grandad died just last week, he died of Liver Cancer, he had > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > clinging to life for the last three years and went out looking > > > > > > > > gaunt > > > > > > > > and wasted. My Nan has colon cancer and has just decided to > > > > > > > > not have > > > > > > > > treatment for it after watching my grandad fade out slowly. > > > > > > > > > It's just gotta be personal choice, yes? > > > > > > > > > On 19 Jan, 14:51, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I watched my friend Chris Bernard face his eminent death with > > > > > > > > > love, > > > > > > > > > courage and dignity. While participating in this with him, I > > > > > > > > > wondered, what is the state of mind that death requires of > > > > > > > > > us? What > > > > > > > > > can we bring to it to ease our own suffering? Should we rage > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > the dying of the light like Dylan Thomas? Should we reach > > > > > > > > > out for > > > > > > > > > spiritual support, ask forgiveness, say farewell? 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