On 27 Jan, 13:59, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I had those periodic headaches for about 5 years and also wondered if > it was not my opportunity to explore within, as nothing else was left > to me. One of my favorite concepts from the above mentioned mystic is > his idea that sleep, dream and waking are all really the same state, > if experienced from the clear and ever present awareness. There are > obvious differences with the experiences of dream and waking in > apparent form. But taking the viewpoint (that may even be beyond the > witness) based in awareness that is common to all three states changed > my sleep experience entirely (my experience in all three states > really) in that what I used to think was an unconsciousness, is now an > intense awareness of life. The headaches ended for me when I was able > to find my way to sustain this viewpoint in dream and waking states. > Looking back, I can see that once I could do this, I no longer needed > the headaches to take me there by necessity. > > Neville Goddard calls these headache experiences Golgatha, or coming > out of our skull. The more material I read written by mystics, the > more I find this common among them. >
Exactly! Which is why I focus on the mystcisms of religions, as that's where they all come together and say, albeit in different terminology, the same things. > On Jan 27, 8:23 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 27 Jan, 12:57, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The other thread in which we toss about your theses, Pat, brought to > > > mind this quote from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: ""In ignorance the seer > > > becomes the seen and in wisdom he is the seeing." It is your ability > > > to articulate your seeing that I admire most in here. In terms of > > > death, it makes me wonder what this difference in position would mean > > > to us at the moment of death. If we are entrenched in the seen, the > > > story, the details, the fears...the experience will be very different > > > than one in the position of "seeing." > > > Funnily enough, I was thinking along similar lines last night. As I'm > > sure I've mentioned, I've been having periodic migraines over the last > > year. Some of which have lasted for several days and have resulted in > > weight loss (about 25 lbs since March of 2009) as I've not been able > > to eat or keep anything down during these periods as it comes right > > back up. I don't want to put anyone off their food, but we've all > > thrown up before. Lately, when I get to the point where I've been > > chucking every 15-30 minutes for over 2 days, I start laughing about > > it. I take the opportunity to escape to 'The Witness' and view it all > > from that vantage point. When there, I can chuckle and chuck at the > > same time. I know it's a temporary thing at the time and I know that > > it WILL end, so why be miserable about it? I view it as a blessing, > > much like I view my penury and relative isolation when I'm at home. > > Why should I trouble myself over being sick when I know that it will > > either end and I'll get better or it will end with my death? Either > > way, it WILL end. That's part of the beauty of space-time; our time > > here is only temporary...by definition!! > > It's been a few weeks, now, since I've had one, but, I'm kind of > > looking forward to the next one, because it gives me that opportunity > > to use that 'Witness' angle in a practical way. Although, I must make > > sure to only laugh mentally, otherwise, the stuff is even MORE likely > > to spurt forth from one's nose (as I found out on the first > > occassion!). ;-) > > > > On Jan 26, 8:45 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 25 Jan, 16:52, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't know about death being "easy" Pat. My father lost his memory > > > > > to Alzheimers before the age of 50, and lingered on this earth without > > > > > short or long term memory, control of body function or emotional > > > > > recognition for seven more years. I often wonder if folks in this > > > > > position are just place holders for death in some way, their continued > > > > > purpose for living incomprehensible. Is there something going on at > > > > > the level of the unseen or soul, that keeps them here on the outskirts > > > > > of life, and at the same time, out of the final reach of death - but > > > > > firmly in its clutches? > > > > > Ahh, that's 'dying'!! Dying is before death and dying may be very > > > > long and painful. Death itself IS easy. Only the One knows the > > > > answer to your last question. Next time(!) I see Azrael (the > > > > Messenger/Angel OF the One that deals with issues related to death), > > > > I'll ask him. I didn't get much of a chance to say anything on our > > > > first encounter. And, no, I'm NOT being facetious about that. I'm > > > > revealing a tad bit of one of my 'more convincing' experiences. At > > > > that time, I was only told (actually, the words were impressed on my > > > > mind...I 'heard' nothing) that I had been dealt a danger. But I was > > > > able to put two and two together and realised from where the threat > > > > came and I'm still alive, but the the person who posed the threat at > > > > THAT time is no longer. Since that time, I consider ol' Azzy to be > > > > one of my Guardians. Those who may think I'm completely bonkers, > > > > well, you had to be there; and, if you had, you would have, unlike > > > > myself, wet yourselves. To me, it was just one of those things. > > > > > > On Jan 21, 8:35 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 21 Jan, 00:10, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I see it very similar, Pat, the understanding of the individual > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the ability to accept death and the resignation to it. Fear of > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > may also bring about the need to fight the inevitable, which for > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > the healthy is a fruitless endeavor. For sure religion has no > > > > > > > bearing > > > > > > > on anything because anyone and everyone knows that this is a > > > > > > > temporary > > > > > > > life. Belief in afterlife or not doesn't change the "end". > > > > > > > Personally I'm looking forward to all the virgins. Actually, I'm > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > as fearful of death as I am of life in these parts of the > > > > > > > universe. I > > > > > > > just don't see the big deal with dying, for me it is just the end > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > ride before the next ride. I think I'll just Tie-Dye. > > > > > > > As I've heard somewhere...Death, that's a doddle; it's one of the > > > > > > easiest things you'll do. About those virgins, it never states that > > > > > > you get to interact with them in any sexual way. If you DID, they'd > > > > > > lose that virginity, now, wouldn't they? ;-) > > > > > > > > On Jan 20, 5:54 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 19 Jan, 15:20, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Always a personal choice, yes. Yet some deaths seem so much > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > peaceful. My own mother came home from vacation, entered the > > > > > > > > > hospital > > > > > > > > > not feeling well, and died from a recurrence of cancer in > > > > > > > > > three days, > > > > > > > > > just enough time to gather her family, and all seven children > > > > > > > > > (spouses > > > > > > > > > and some grandchildren) were there at the final, peaceful > > > > > > > > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > My mother in law fought it all the way, requiring greater > > > > > > > > > amounts of > > > > > > > > > meds to keep her calm, languishing for months. The person we > > > > > > > > > knew was > > > > > > > > > gone months before that moment. > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what it is we bring to the moment that makes the > > > > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > I can only think that it's the individual's understanding of the > > > > > > > > process. And that includes Lee's 'fear' element, as well as any > > > > > > > > religious/non-religious beliefs ABOUT death. Both the > > > > > > > > religious and > > > > > > > > non-religious could have perfectly good reasons for not fearing > > > > > > > > it: > > > > > > > > the religious, because they believe that there is a > > > > > > > > life-after-death > > > > > > > > and their belief that they will experience a 'good' afterlife > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > their beliefs about their own deeds during life and the > > > > > > > > non-religious, > > > > > > > > as they (MAY) expect absolutely nothing to follow, which, if > > > > > > > > true, > > > > > > > > would be nothing to fear. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 9:11 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's just gota be a personal thing hasn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > My Grandad died just last week, he died of Liver Cancer, he > > > > > > > > > > had been > > > > > > > > > > clinging to life for the last three years and went out > > > > > > > > > > looking gaunt > > > > > > > > > > and wasted. My Nan has colon cancer and has just decided > > > > > > > > > > to not have > > > > > > > > > > treatment for it after watching my grandad fade out slowly. > > > > > > > > > > > It's just gotta be personal choice, yes? > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Jan, 14:51, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I watched my friend Chris Bernard face his eminent death > > > > > > > > > > > with love, > > > > > > > > > > > courage and dignity. While participating in this with > > > > > > > > > > > him, I > > > > > > > > > > > wondered, what is the state of mind that death requires > > > > > > > > > > > of us? What > > > > > > > > > > > can we bring to it to ease our own suffering? Should we > > > > > > > > > > > rage against > > > > > > > > > > > the dying of the light like Dylan Thomas? Should we > > > > > > > > > > > reach out for > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual support, ask forgiveness, say farewell? 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