On 26 Jan, 15:32, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > Are we free to cut the ties that bind, or not? To examine our psyche > and mature it, or not? To look within to witness our own experience > and our place in it, or not? The only choice is fundamentally placed > in the alpha and omega of the ouroboros. >
That begs the proverbial question for serpentines: Have you ever tried to use your alpha to bite yourself in your omega? ;-) > On Jan 22, 8:28 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In the matter of choice we must first contemplate what are our binding > > factors. We act and react according to our psyche, personality, > > nature. Under same circumstances John would act and react differently > > from Abraham. If insulted one person might just shrug whereas another > > might give a hefty blow. Seeing a leper one may feel compassionate and > > help him whereas another might feel disgust and turn his shoulder. > > Our freedom is just apparent, not real. We feel free and act according > > to our will. But is our will really free, to my mind it is not. > > > On Jan 22, 2:17 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Forgive me my fellow Eye'ers, I obviously have this stuck in my head > > > at the moment and it needs to be addressed. > > > > On GMTV this morning we had an ex burglar talking about what he feels > > > over the initial arrest, sentancing and subsiquent reduction of > > > prision term for a Mr Munir Hussain (http://www.gm.tv/articles/44308- > > > burglars-prosecution-jailed.html). Who chased burglars out of his > > > house and administered to one of them a bloody good hiding. > > > > The ex burglar was talking about choice vs instinctual behaviour, > > > whilst unsupprisingly the majority of calls, texts and emails into > > > GMTV on this subject were all for a lessening of the law which > > > restricts us to 'reasonable force' in defence of our homes or loved > > > ones. To my mind a restriction from 'reasonable force' can only mean > > > allowing 'unreasonable force' so I guess you can say that I do not > > > agree with this one at all. > > > > However although I'm sure that we will get into that one here, this is > > > not the point I wish to make at this time. > > > > Back to choice then. I think the ex-burglar correct, even when it > > > comes to acting instinctivly to protect your loved ones, I would > > > suppose that my instinct if I where to find myself in Mr Hussain's > > > predicterment, would be differant from Mr Hussains. > > > > The burglars fleed his property and he choose to chase them out, > > > rather than seeing if his family were all okay. > > > > Okay I guess I am I and he is he, I cannot know the kind of person he > > > is nor what his lifes experiances have been upto this point. Which is > > > getting towards the root of my concerns now. > > > > A quick potted history of the life of Lee, in order to understand my > > > next thought I think. > > > > As a child I, along with the rest of my male siblings, was beaten a > > > lot by my father, it has certianly left it's mark on my and goes a > > > great deal to explaining certian facets of my pysche(as you would > > > expect), the biggest off shoot of this is how I think about the effect > > > of my actions on other people before I choose to act. > > > > As a child getting a beating by a perant hurts, emotionaly and > > > physicaly. So I retain the memory of how I felt at the time, and ask > > > myself, this question: > > > > If I act that way towards another person am I not engaging in the very > > > same actions that hurt me so much? > > > The answer is of course yes. > > > > Now having realised this I must further ask, retaining the memory of > > > how all of the felt and the mark it has left upon me, why would I wish > > > to inflict the same upon others? > > > The answer is I cannot do so and remain unhypocritical. > > > > These questions and answers I feel are based on more than my lifes > > > experiance, they are cold rationality in action, that is of course I > > > realise that my perception is skewed because of my experiances, yet at > > > the same time I do not think my answers irrational. > > > > So back to My Hussian. After being tied up and beaten, and > > > experiancing how that felt, the rational choice to make (according to > > > me) is to ensure that his family are all good, that any injuries get > > > seen to that any emotional or pshcological damage is restricted. To > > > my mind to seek instant redress and to 'do unto others as they have > > > done unto you' seems illogical, unhumane, and even worse it does make > > > you into the very thing that you are trieing to protect your family > > > against. > > > > Choices? Ummm can we choose our belifes? I don't know, I suspect > > > not. Can we choose how we behave? Yes yes of course we can.- Hide > > > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
