I don't operate on "IFs", they are too vague, lack any real substance and are mutable beyond comprehension. If always leads to maybe. Differing stories, differing times doesn't really say anything. What are the details, did they all move about like a solid mass all the time, in unison? Is there any response from the children as to how they were treated or their concern for personal safety? Did they ever feel threatened? Truth is there are many cases of rape and sexual abuse of children in Haiti perpetrated by family members, friends and people in trust positions. They have there own sick domestic child abuse issues that have been ignored for years. I would ask what is really in it for poverty stricken people who claim abuse by foreigners who have money. They won't be the first to be accused and not the last. I see a cash cow.
On Feb 4, 6:11 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > Either way, they should be incarcerated for the moment. If, just after > Katrina, a group of Mexicans were apprehended attempting to take 30+ > American children across the border, would you support releasing the > Mexicans? Especially considering that they tell a different story > between them and at different times? > > On Feb 4, 3:10 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > And I was clarifying that their status is irrelevant to me without > > inferring aspersion on your part. The actions they are accused of are > > accusations, allegations waiting for resolution by the Haitian > > government. I'm sure much of the reporting is rife with hearsay so I > > wouldn't attach entrepreneurial labels nor attach relevance to the > > accommodations which the accused leased during their stay. That is > > simply irresponsible judgment when innocence should prevail until > > proof of guilt has been established. In my post I doubted the > > accusations but your presentation is establishing guilt by selective > > observation without presenting factual evidence, a slippery slope > > really. Neither of you have presented any links to back up your > > assertions. If it were that easy they would be in prison already, its > > not cut and dry. I always thought it was "innocent until proven > > guilty" not guilty because it looks or smells like it. > > > On Feb 4, 3:56 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I was clarifying which people, not casting aspersions on them for > > > being missionaries. The truly harmful missionaries left there decades > > > ago. Oz beat me to the terrible actions that they are accused of. This > > > is not simply a case of helping. They had an opportunity to grab kids > > > w/o paying the government fees, this could have increased their > > > potential profit margin and was apparently too good to pass up. > > > > >How many more non-oil atrocities can you > > > > > name which we just sit around and watch on the news? > > > > Far too many my friend, and I will no doubt see many more. considering > > > that the majority of Christians and nearly all conservatives, > > > moderates, repubs, inds, are actively opposed to helping Haiti > > > already. This doesn't bode well for them. Add to that the fact that > > > obummer "promised" and I'm afraid that the Haitians struggle is only > > > just begun. > > > I stopped "just sitting" some time ago however, now i donate money and > > > volunteer time for logistics training aid workers and counselling > > > those that become over-whelmed. It isn't much, but it's what I can do > > > atm. > > > > On Feb 4, 9:12 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I doubt very much they were kidnapping children especially considering > > > > the fact that they tried to off them at another orphanage for > > > > temporary safe keeping. The actual evidence is in their favor and I > > > > might add that I view them as Americans who went to help out in the > > > > crisis, the fact that they are missionaries is irrelevant to me. > > > > There must have been an enormous amount of confusion taking place > > > > similar to that of 9/11 where people just tried to do the right thing > > > > without thinking about bureaucratic red tape or later suffering from > > > > lung disease for lending a hand. Remember the whole political > > > > structure was a shambles and chaos ensued. If anything the people > > > > were just stupid for thinking their acts of kindness/love or whatever > > > > would transcend the reality of the law. I don't see the people as > > > > criminals, possibly morons but that's it. > > > > Aside from a monetary donation I'm, as usual, dispassionate towards > > > > the crisis, I could care less if the whole place sank into the ocean > > > > tomorrow. If Orn is really on to something of which I have little > > > > doubt, it adds to the list of resource motivated altruism. With Bush > > > > it was helping the poor Iraqi people under the grips of a tyrant while > > > > millions of people in Dafur drank their own blood as we watched them > > > > die, Somalia? Congo? Rwanda?. Now it's the poor Haitians that Obama > > > > has promised not to abandon. I'm with Orn, > > > > Avarice or Altruism? > > > > > On Feb 4, 1:34 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The missionaries that were kidnapping children? > > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:30 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > While it has all the earmarks of a conspiracy theory I wouldn't > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > it highly possible. Unfortunately the resource will only delay the > > > > > > worlds transition to alternative energies; the environment is at > > > > > > stake. > > > > > > > Right now though I'm putting a hold on my quake donation until they > > > > > > release the missionaries. They should thank their lucky stars to > > > > > > have > > > > > > the hands on help. > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:34 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > “…Behind the smoke, rubble and unending drama of human tragedy in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > hapless Caribbean country, a drama is in full play for control of > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > geophysicists believe may be one of the world’s richest zones for > > > > > > > hydrocarbons-oil and gas outside the Middle East, possibly orders > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > magnitude greater than that of nearby Venezuela…” > > > > > > > -http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17287 > > > > > > > > Do read the entire article if you have time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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