It is clear that the members of NLCR were involved in getting children prior to the earthquake…and back as far as November. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8490843.stm And apparently they admitted not seeking approval to take the kids from Haiti. http://www.statesman.com/news/world/haiti-charges-10-americans-with-kidnapping-214831.html
On Feb 4, 3:10 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > And I was clarifying that their status is irrelevant to me without > inferring aspersion on your part. The actions they are accused of are > accusations, allegations waiting for resolution by the Haitian > government. I'm sure much of the reporting is rife with hearsay so I > wouldn't attach entrepreneurial labels nor attach relevance to the > accommodations which the accused leased during their stay. That is > simply irresponsible judgment when innocence should prevail until > proof of guilt has been established. In my post I doubted the > accusations but your presentation is establishing guilt by selective > observation without presenting factual evidence, a slippery slope > really. Neither of you have presented any links to back up your > assertions. If it were that easy they would be in prison already, its > not cut and dry. I always thought it was "innocent until proven > guilty" not guilty because it looks or smells like it. > > On Feb 4, 3:56 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I was clarifying which people, not casting aspersions on them for > > being missionaries. The truly harmful missionaries left there decades > > ago. Oz beat me to the terrible actions that they are accused of. This > > is not simply a case of helping. They had an opportunity to grab kids > > w/o paying the government fees, this could have increased their > > potential profit margin and was apparently too good to pass up. > > > >How many more non-oil atrocities can you > > > > name which we just sit around and watch on the news? > > > Far too many my friend, and I will no doubt see many more. considering > > that the majority of Christians and nearly all conservatives, > > moderates, repubs, inds, are actively opposed to helping Haiti > > already. This doesn't bode well for them. Add to that the fact that > > obummer "promised" and I'm afraid that the Haitians struggle is only > > just begun. > > I stopped "just sitting" some time ago however, now i donate money and > > volunteer time for logistics training aid workers and counselling > > those that become over-whelmed. It isn't much, but it's what I can do > > atm. > > > On Feb 4, 9:12 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I doubt very much they were kidnapping children especially considering > > > the fact that they tried to off them at another orphanage for > > > temporary safe keeping. The actual evidence is in their favor and I > > > might add that I view them as Americans who went to help out in the > > > crisis, the fact that they are missionaries is irrelevant to me. > > > There must have been an enormous amount of confusion taking place > > > similar to that of 9/11 where people just tried to do the right thing > > > without thinking about bureaucratic red tape or later suffering from > > > lung disease for lending a hand. Remember the whole political > > > structure was a shambles and chaos ensued. If anything the people > > > were just stupid for thinking their acts of kindness/love or whatever > > > would transcend the reality of the law. I don't see the people as > > > criminals, possibly morons but that's it. > > > Aside from a monetary donation I'm, as usual, dispassionate towards > > > the crisis, I could care less if the whole place sank into the ocean > > > tomorrow. If Orn is really on to something of which I have little > > > doubt, it adds to the list of resource motivated altruism. With Bush > > > it was helping the poor Iraqi people under the grips of a tyrant while > > > millions of people in Dafur drank their own blood as we watched them > > > die, Somalia? Congo? Rwanda?. Now it's the poor Haitians that Obama > > > has promised not to abandon. I'm with Orn, > > > Avarice or Altruism? > > > > On Feb 4, 1:34 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The missionaries that were kidnapping children? > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:30 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > While it has all the earmarks of a conspiracy theory I wouldn't doubt > > > > > it highly possible. Unfortunately the resource will only delay the > > > > > worlds transition to alternative energies; the environment is at > > > > > stake. > > > > > > Right now though I'm putting a hold on my quake donation until they > > > > > release the missionaries. They should thank their lucky stars to have > > > > > the hands on help. > > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:34 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > “…Behind the smoke, rubble and unending drama of human tragedy in > > > > > > the > > > > > > hapless Caribbean country, a drama is in full play for control of > > > > > > what > > > > > > geophysicists believe may be one of the world’s richest zones for > > > > > > hydrocarbons-oil and gas outside the Middle East, possibly orders of > > > > > > magnitude greater than that of nearby Venezuela…” > > > > > > -http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17287 > > > > > > > Do read the entire article if you have time.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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