Yeh…I guess laws shouldn’t matter …especially somewhere else. My best guess is that these faith-based entrepreneurs are just too lazy to actually kidnap children where chaos isn’t the norm. Their history is known but not reported in US corporate news.
On Feb 5, 7:25 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:11 PM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > Either way, they should be incarcerated for the moment. If, just after > > Katrina, a group of Mexicans were apprehended attempting to take 30+ > > American children across the border, would you support releasing the > > Mexicans? Especially considering that they tell a different story > > between them and at different times? > > What seems to continually get thrown out with the bathwater is the > babies. Frankly, I couldn't care less at this point what laws were > broken and who broke them or if they did it for profit or altruism. I > worry about the children. There's not a damn thing i can do about it. > Giving money to UNICEF is like pouring it down the toilet or worse, > funding child rape. The probable fact is that if these 'missionaries' > had gotten into the U.S. with these kids most of them would have ended > up with caring capable parents. Do some of you really think the plan > was to sell these kids into slavery in UAE or somewhere? Frankly, if > that were the case, they'd do better kidnapping kids from Iceland as I > believe the preference runs to blond hair and blue eyes. > > The constant vilification of profit blinds people to the benefits. 33 > kids could have found a home in America for less then Madonna paid for > one. The difference being she paid everybody off. I have to admit > the focus on this unfortunate episode has soured me on America's role > in helping out over there. It makes it a lot easier for me to ignore > their problems when they can spend time and effort and money on > something like this when there is so much else to do. An easy fix > that should make everyone happy is to put these do-gooders to work in > clean up and child care. Instead they rot in prison serving no > purpose whatsoever except as a burden. What a waste. No wonder that > country stays in perpetual state of poverty. > > dj > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 3:10 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And I was clarifying that their status is irrelevant to me without > >> inferring aspersion on your part. The actions they are accused of are > >> accusations, allegations waiting for resolution by the Haitian > >> government. I'm sure much of the reporting is rife with hearsay so I > >> wouldn't attach entrepreneurial labels nor attach relevance to the > >> accommodations which the accused leased during their stay. That is > >> simply irresponsible judgment when innocence should prevail until > >> proof of guilt has been established. In my post I doubted the > >> accusations but your presentation is establishing guilt by selective > >> observation without presenting factual evidence, a slippery slope > >> really. Neither of you have presented any links to back up your > >> assertions. If it were that easy they would be in prison already, its > >> not cut and dry. I always thought it was "innocent until proven > >> guilty" not guilty because it looks or smells like it. > > >> On Feb 4, 3:56 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > I was clarifying which people, not casting aspersions on them for > >> > being missionaries. The truly harmful missionaries left there decades > >> > ago. Oz beat me to the terrible actions that they are accused of. This > >> > is not simply a case of helping. They had an opportunity to grab kids > >> > w/o paying the government fees, this could have increased their > >> > potential profit margin and was apparently too good to pass up. > > >> > >How many more non-oil atrocities can you > > >> > > name which we just sit around and watch on the news? > > >> > Far too many my friend, and I will no doubt see many more. considering > >> > that the majority of Christians and nearly all conservatives, > >> > moderates, repubs, inds, are actively opposed to helping Haiti > >> > already. This doesn't bode well for them. Add to that the fact that > >> > obummer "promised" and I'm afraid that the Haitians struggle is only > >> > just begun. > >> > I stopped "just sitting" some time ago however, now i donate money and > >> > volunteer time for logistics training aid workers and counselling > >> > those that become over-whelmed. It isn't much, but it's what I can do > >> > atm. > > >> > On Feb 4, 9:12 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > I doubt very much they were kidnapping children especially considering > >> > > the fact that they tried to off them at another orphanage for > >> > > temporary safe keeping. The actual evidence is in their favor and I > >> > > might add that I view them as Americans who went to help out in the > >> > > crisis, the fact that they are missionaries is irrelevant to me. > >> > > There must have been an enormous amount of confusion taking place > >> > > similar to that of 9/11 where people just tried to do the right thing > >> > > without thinking about bureaucratic red tape or later suffering from > >> > > lung disease for lending a hand. Remember the whole political > >> > > structure was a shambles and chaos ensued. If anything the people > >> > > were just stupid for thinking their acts of kindness/love or whatever > >> > > would transcend the reality of the law. I don't see the people as > >> > > criminals, possibly morons but that's it. > >> > > Aside from a monetary donation I'm, as usual, dispassionate towards > >> > > the crisis, I could care less if the whole place sank into the ocean > >> > > tomorrow. If Orn is really on to something of which I have little > >> > > doubt, it adds to the list of resource motivated altruism. With Bush > >> > > it was helping the poor Iraqi people under the grips of a tyrant while > >> > > millions of people in Dafur drank their own blood as we watched them > >> > > die, Somalia? Congo? Rwanda?. Now it's the poor Haitians that Obama > >> > > has promised not to abandon. I'm with Orn, > >> > > Avarice or Altruism? > > >> > > On Feb 4, 1:34 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > The missionaries that were kidnapping children? > > >> > > > On Feb 3, 11:30 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > While it has all the earmarks of a conspiracy theory I wouldn't > >> > > > > doubt > >> > > > > it highly possible. Unfortunately the resource will only delay the > >> > > > > worlds transition to alternative energies; the environment is at > >> > > > > stake. > > >> > > > > Right now though I'm putting a hold on my quake donation until they > >> > > > > release the missionaries. They should thank their lucky stars to > >> > > > > have > >> > > > > the hands on help. > > >> > > > > On Feb 3, 11:34 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > >> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > “…Behind the smoke, rubble and unending drama of human tragedy > >> > > > > > in the > >> > > > > > hapless Caribbean country, a drama is in full play for control > >> > > > > > of what > >> > > > > > geophysicists believe may be one of the world’s richest zones for > >> > > > > > hydrocarbons-oil and gas outside the Middle East, possibly > >> > > > > > orders of > >> > > > > > magnitude greater than that of nearby Venezuela…” > >> > > > > > -http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17287 > > >> > > > > > Do read the entire article if you have time. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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