"What is the Central Core of Your Thinking? Is it not, therefore, an obvious fact that what I am in my relationship to another creates society and that, without radically transforming myself, there can be no transformation of the essential function of society? When we look to a system for the transformation of society, we are merely evading the question, because a system cannot transform man; man always transforms the system, which history shows. Until I, in my relationship to you, understand myself I am the cause of chaos, misery, destruction, fear, brutality. Understanding myself is not a matter of time; I can understand myself at this very moment." - The First and Last Freedom Chapter 1, Krishnamurti
On Feb 8, 10:03 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Pat, > > You see there is contradiction here and I belive you and I have spoken > of such before. Personaly speaking I am still giving your ideas some > head space, although I do not think that I will be going for them > anytime soon. Putting on my memory hat for a second I belive that one > of the last things I said about this idea is that even if it was to be > shown to be correct, then I would still deny it as I do not like the > repurcussions of it. > > To-whit! > > In your post below, in answer to Fiddler, you aportion some blame to > society, and further claim that perhaps the biggest evil is an > uncaring society. But if we where to take your idea to heart we would > see that we can't blame society, we can't blame anybody as nobody has > a choice in how we treat each other. The starving mugger in Fidds > example was destined to be a starving mugger, no matter what society > does. > > So my freind. I have to ask how can you blame society when society has > no choice in the matter? > > On 8 Feb, 14:05, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 4 Feb, 11:43, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So what is the greatest evil then? > > > > The greatest evil is taking choice from somebody. However you perform > > > such an action, by killing, by enslaving, by physical force. The key > > > here is choice. > > > > Even our children understand this, and can get highly upset when > > > tasked with something they have no wish to do. > > > > Agree, disagree, why? > > > Of course I disagree...and you know why. You only THINK you have > > choices. The continuum shows differently. Science stands with me on > > this. If you truly believe that you have freedom of choice in a cause- > > and-effect universe, you're allowing yourself to be duped. Please, > > don't take that personally, as you know I would say it to anyone who > > said such a thing. Our children understand what we instruct them. I > > was instructed by some teachers and my father, who knew that there was > > a catch involved in Special Relativity. Children will remain children > > until they grow up and face the facts. The truth of the space-time > > continuum has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wish it to be. All > > my wishes are but events in it. And I truly wish that people would > > face the facts and understand just this one aspect of reality; for, if > > they did, they'd be a million steps closer to the One. If I get upset > > because my father tells me to mow the lawn, that's just not anything > > to get upset about. To do so would be childish. It's a FAR different > > thing to take someone's life. The balance, in that case, is left to > > God. And, personally, I believe that, for every action there is an > > equal and opposite reaction. That would mean that, in the case of > > murder, the person who murders gives up their afterlife (or, rather, > > exists in a state wherein they would rather not). But, of course, > > there's a greater scope in that, if a 'murder' occurs, then it had to > > be the will of the One--and who can fight that? We are agents of the > > Lord and do His bidding whether or NOT we realise that. The space- > > time continuum is a permanent record of all things that are done (down > > to the quantum level!) and it is by means of that permanent record > > that our hands will testify against us (or for us, if and when we do > > good). Apologies, once again, to Ian, for didactics.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
