It was a non sequiter, as one does not follow the other. Yes I'm made up of cells. That has nothing to do with gods or unicorns.
On Feb 10, 4:22 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10 Feb, 05:15, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Would you 'care' if your fingers were cut off, seeing that you are so > > > much greater than they are? Since you are so much greater than your > > > stomach, perhaps you could remove it and fare just as well. > > > So gods depend on us like I depend on my stomach? > > Other way around. You depend on God for every quantum aspect of your > life. > > > >You deny > > > the Oneness of God yet consider yourself a single entity when you know > > > that you are a composite. > > > I can do non sequiters also: > > I don't believe in the existence of ferengi, though I have ear > > lobes... > > I don't believe in the existence of unicorns that live in the sun, > > though I have body heat. > > It was no non-sequiter. You know that you are a composite of > trillions of cells or do you deny that? > > > A look at "religious morality" :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRUKJkOyWOA > > Hope it's nice, I don't have access to YouTube. > > > On Feb 9, 4:44 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 8 Feb, 17:14, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > A little food for thought: What if the greatest act of valour and good > > > > would be to deny gods exist. > > > > Spoken like a devout Satanist. ;-) > > > > >Unless the gods are as petty and silly > > > > and sadistic as made out, wouldn't they want to see us stand up on our > > > > own, reach out, and learn about what they've done? > > > > Firstly, One God. Not Gods. If there is One God, He would want you > > > to recognise Him. Yet you suggest that He would think it an act of > > > valour to deny His existence. That would be arrogance not valour and > > > very foolish. > > > > >Or do you really > > > > think that something that is conceivably so different and much grander > > > > than we really cares about whether or not you eat pork, maintain a > > > > prayer count, or have a tattoo? > > > > You see, that's where your lack of understanding OF the subject lets > > > you down. You think of God as described in a literal translation of > > > the Old Testament. I don't. The God I believe in is all > > > encompassing. Everything that comprises you is an extension OF God. > > > In much the same way as your fingers are extensions of your hand. > > You view > > > yourself as 'an individual' when you know better. You know, from your > > > science, that you are, in fact, a composite being of trillions of > > > cells working together (or, in the case of cancer, against). Likeness > > > and image, mate! Have some REAL > > > food for thought. > > > > > On Feb 8, 7:51 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 8 Feb, 15:03, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Pat, > > > > > > > You see there is contradiction here and I belive you and I have > > > > > > spoken > > > > > > of such before. Personaly speaking I am still giving your ideas > > > > > > some > > > > > > head space, although I do not think that I will be going for them > > > > > > anytime soon. Putting on my memory hat for a second I belive that > > > > > > one > > > > > > of the last things I said about this idea is that even if it was to > > > > > > be > > > > > > shown to be correct, then I would still deny it as I do not like the > > > > > > repurcussions of it. > > > > > > > To-whit! > > > > > > > In your post below, in answer to Fiddler, you aportion some blame to > > > > > > society, and further claim that perhaps the biggest evil is an > > > > > > uncaring society. > > > > > > The biggest evil in the example HE portrayed. Not the biggest evil > > > > > full stop. BIG difference. In my opinion (and I gave some thought to > > > > > that over the weekend), the biggest evil is denying the existence of > > > > > God. But, as I qualified that statement with "IMO", I'm allowed to > > > > > get away with it. In that denial, you stand alone in the end and risk > > > > > eternity for the greatest arrogance a man can have. > > > > > > >But if we where to take your idea to heart we would > > > > > > see that we can't blame society, we can't blame anybody as nobody > > > > > > has > > > > > > a choice in how we treat each other. The starving mugger in Fidds > > > > > > example was destined to be a starving mugger, no matter what society > > > > > > does. > > > > > > Yup. He was because society allowed it. If society were to change > > > > > into a caring society, those mugs wouldn't be starving anymore. So, > > > > > do we learn the lesson or not? You seem to forget that, whilst I toot > > > > > on about us not having access to the future, I also toot on about the > > > > > fact that we have the ability to speculate in the present and act in a > > > > > way that is 'better'. If we couldn't speculate, then your argument > > > > > would hold true; but, we can. So we have that chance to act, in the > > > > > present, and to do so in such a way as to improve the lives of those > > > > > around us. > > > > > > > So my freind. I have to ask how can you blame society when society > > > > > > has > > > > > > no choice in the matter? > > > > > > Nope. Along with what I said just above, you also have to understand > > > > > things in terms of God's wisdom and realise that, ultimately, any > > > > > 'seeming wrongs' will be righted in the hereafter. Do you believe in > > > > > an unjust God? I don't. Therefore, I HAVE to believe that anything > > > > > that 'seems' wrong in this world is either down to our limited context > > > > > or that it will be righted in the hereafter. In fact, there are > > > > > scriptural revelations to the latter argument. But I wouldn't want to > > > > > draw your attention to the Qur'an and away from your own faith. > > > > > Whoops...already did. ;-) > > > > > > > On 8 Feb, 14:05, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 4 Feb, 11:43, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > So what is the greatest evil then? > > > > > > > > > The greatest evil is taking choice from somebody. However you > > > > > > > > perform > > > > > > > > such an action, by killing, by enslaving, by physical force. > > > > > > > > The key > > > > > > > > here is choice. > > > > > > > > > Even our children understand this, and can get highly upset when > > > > > > > > tasked with something they have no wish to do. > > > > > > > > > Agree, disagree, why? > > > > > > > > Of course I disagree...and you know why. You only THINK you have > > > > > > > choices. The continuum shows differently. Science stands with > > > > > > > me on > > > > > > > this. If you truly believe that you have freedom of choice in a > > > > > > > cause- > > > > > > > and-effect universe, you're allowing yourself to be duped. > > > > > > > Please, > > > > > > > don't take that personally, as you know I would say it to anyone > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > said such a thing. Our children understand what we instruct > > > > > > > them. I > > > > > > > was instructed by some teachers and my father, who knew that > > > > > > > there was > > > > > > > a catch involved in Special Relativity. Children will remain > > > > > > > children > > > > > > > until they grow up and face the facts. The truth of the > > > > > > > space-time > > > > > > > continuum has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wish it to be. > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > my wishes are but events in it. And I truly wish that people > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > face the facts and understand just this one aspect of reality; > > > > > > > for, if > > > > > > > they did, they'd be a million steps closer to the One. If I get > > > > > > > upset > > > > > > > because my father tells me to mow the lawn, that's just not > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > to get upset about. To do so would be childish. It's a FAR > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > thing to take someone's life. The balance, in that case, is left > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > God. And, personally, I believe that, for every action there is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > equal and opposite reaction. That would mean that, in the case of > > > > > > > murder, the person who murders gives up their afterlife (or, > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > exists in a state wherein they would rather not). But, of course, > > > > > > > there's a greater scope in that, if a 'murder' occurs, then it > > > > > > > had to > > > > > > > be the will of the One--and who can fight that? We are agents of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Lord and do His bidding whether or NOT we realise that. The > > > > > > > space- > > > > > > > time continuum is a permanent record of all things that are done > > > > > > > (down > > > > > > > to the quantum level!) and it is by means of that permanent record > > > > > > > that our hands will testify against us (or for us, if and when we > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > good). Apologies, once again, to Ian, for didactics.- Hide > > > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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