Hahaha Pat I have absolutly no problems at all in looking towards Holy scripture of any kind, and well you know it.
However the point is your contradictions inlight of your belifes, we simply cannot blame society for teh plight of the starving mugger. He had no choices in the matter, societies ar made up of individuals, all of which acording to you also have no choies. You are correct, I do not belive in an unjst God, and I belive that a just God would not create robots without the free choice of whether to strive for God or not. On 8 Feb, 15:51, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 8 Feb, 15:03, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey Pat, > > > You see there is contradiction here and I belive you and I have spoken > > of such before. Personaly speaking I am still giving your ideas some > > head space, although I do not think that I will be going for them > > anytime soon. Putting on my memory hat for a second I belive that one > > of the last things I said about this idea is that even if it was to be > > shown to be correct, then I would still deny it as I do not like the > > repurcussions of it. > > > To-whit! > > > In your post below, in answer to Fiddler, you aportion some blame to > > society, and further claim that perhaps the biggest evil is an > > uncaring society. > > The biggest evil in the example HE portrayed. Not the biggest evil > full stop. BIG difference. In my opinion (and I gave some thought to > that over the weekend), the biggest evil is denying the existence of > God. But, as I qualified that statement with "IMO", I'm allowed to > get away with it. In that denial, you stand alone in the end and risk > eternity for the greatest arrogance a man can have. > > >But if we where to take your idea to heart we would > > see that we can't blame society, we can't blame anybody as nobody has > > a choice in how we treat each other. The starving mugger in Fidds > > example was destined to be a starving mugger, no matter what society > > does. > > Yup. He was because society allowed it. If society were to change > into a caring society, those mugs wouldn't be starving anymore. So, > do we learn the lesson or not? You seem to forget that, whilst I toot > on about us not having access to the future, I also toot on about the > fact that we have the ability to speculate in the present and act in a > way that is 'better'. If we couldn't speculate, then your argument > would hold true; but, we can. So we have that chance to act, in the > present, and to do so in such a way as to improve the lives of those > around us. > > > So my freind. I have to ask how can you blame society when society has > > no choice in the matter? > > Nope. Along with what I said just above, you also have to understand > things in terms of God's wisdom and realise that, ultimately, any > 'seeming wrongs' will be righted in the hereafter. Do you believe in > an unjust God? I don't. Therefore, I HAVE to believe that anything > that 'seems' wrong in this world is either down to our limited context > or that it will be righted in the hereafter. In fact, there are > scriptural revelations to the latter argument. But I wouldn't want to > draw your attention to the Qur'an and away from your own faith. > Whoops...already did. ;-) > > > > > On 8 Feb, 14:05, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 4 Feb, 11:43, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So what is the greatest evil then? > > > > > The greatest evil is taking choice from somebody. However you perform > > > > such an action, by killing, by enslaving, by physical force. The key > > > > here is choice. > > > > > Even our children understand this, and can get highly upset when > > > > tasked with something they have no wish to do. > > > > > Agree, disagree, why? > > > > Of course I disagree...and you know why. You only THINK you have > > > choices. The continuum shows differently. Science stands with me on > > > this. If you truly believe that you have freedom of choice in a cause- > > > and-effect universe, you're allowing yourself to be duped. Please, > > > don't take that personally, as you know I would say it to anyone who > > > said such a thing. Our children understand what we instruct them. I > > > was instructed by some teachers and my father, who knew that there was > > > a catch involved in Special Relativity. Children will remain children > > > until they grow up and face the facts. The truth of the space-time > > > continuum has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wish it to be. All > > > my wishes are but events in it. And I truly wish that people would > > > face the facts and understand just this one aspect of reality; for, if > > > they did, they'd be a million steps closer to the One. If I get upset > > > because my father tells me to mow the lawn, that's just not anything > > > to get upset about. To do so would be childish. It's a FAR different > > > thing to take someone's life. The balance, in that case, is left to > > > God. And, personally, I believe that, for every action there is an > > > equal and opposite reaction. That would mean that, in the case of > > > murder, the person who murders gives up their afterlife (or, rather, > > > exists in a state wherein they would rather not). But, of course, > > > there's a greater scope in that, if a 'murder' occurs, then it had to > > > be the will of the One--and who can fight that? We are agents of the > > > Lord and do His bidding whether or NOT we realise that. The space- > > > time continuum is a permanent record of all things that are done (down > > > to the quantum level!) and it is by means of that permanent record > > > that our hands will testify against us (or for us, if and when we do > > > good). 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