On 8 Feb, 17:44, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > They would not be ignorant at all, the same evidence proves the > existence of fairies, demons, and gods; and people do worship all of > the above.
Irrelevant. Fairies are not Gods. Even YOU know that. > Disproven: The gospels were authored by contemporaries of the supposed > christ (This was known to be false in Kierkegaard's time). agreed! I discount most of the New Testament. Although there are bits of truth in it; they're bloody hard to find! >A man > living inside of a fish. Not impossible. We don't know what large sea-based animals may have become extinct and left no trace since that time. >A global flood. Plenty of evidence that there wa sa widespread flood that encompassed most of the ancient 'known world'. >Jews being enslaved by > Egyptians. Yup. Egyptians record using slave labour. And they admit to keeping them in pretty much the same place as the Hebrews(not Jews!! They weren't Jews until after Sinai.) say they lived. >A man walking around occupied territory attracting large > crowds and not attracting the attention of the roman governors or > soldiers. He did attract their attention. Did you not read the bit where the Romans crucified him for treason? >These are just a few. > > On Feb 8, 5:14 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 7 Feb, 19:03, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The measure constantly changes in regards to mocking. What you need to > > > realise is that many people do not see a difference between gods and > > > fairies. > > > They would be ignorant, then. > > > >And many people have weighed the positive and negative > > > aspects of religion and found the negative to be far greater than the > > > positive. I personally have never said that there are no positive > > > aspects, simply that the negative are active and powerful aspects > > > while the positive are passive and easily dismissed by the negative. > > > Easily dismissed by some. I wonder why? > > > > If you make an assertion -like god is real- you must expect there to > > > be opposition. Every concept has detractors. > > > > I find your complaint about atheists stating their belief at every > > > opportunity to be hilarious. You are guilty of an identical action. > > > Often, your complaint and the complaint of religion not being treated > > > nicely are interchangeable, especially among evangelical believers. It > > > generally comes down to them having the right to talk, promote, > > > discuss, and even go door to door harassing people, but complain > > > loudly whenever anyone points out that there is no evidence of their > > > belief or that specific points of belief had been disproved centuries > > > past. > > > Would you like to name a few specifics, here? That is, of things that > > have been disproven. I'm just curious as to which things. And, thank > > God, there aren't door-to-door atheists...although that would make a > > classic comedy sketch!! > > > > On Feb 7, 10:05 am, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Fiddler, I fear that you have misunderstood what I was saying. There > > > > are many people who do not believe in God, and are willing to discuss > > > > what they do believe about the way the world works. They are also > > > > willing to share their reasons for nor believing in God. But there > > > > are others who not only do not believe in God, but they DO believe > > > > that anyone who DOES believe in God is a fool, and they state this > > > > belief repeatedly. They also tend to belittle belief in God by > > > > comparing it to belief in fairies or some other silly thing. They > > > > also seem to believe that the effect of religion on the world has been > > > > mostly negative, and while they can supply examples of negative > > > > effects, they seem to be blind t the many positive effects that > > > > religion has had. > > > > > Now, I really don't care whether they believe these things or not, but > > > > some of these particular atheists make it a point to state their > > > > beliefs at every opportunity. It is as though they were on a crusade > > > > to stamp out religion. Now, this is a forum for discussion of ideas > > > > and beliefs. I share my thoughts and beliefs, and I try to be > > > > respectful of the thoughts and beliefs of others. When my beliefs are > > > > mocked and ridiculed in a forum like this, it is a sign that the other > > > > person is not willing to listen and to discuss things rationally. > > > > This is irritating to many of us, but it also reflects poorly on the > > > > character of the person who is doing the mocking. I am merely asking > > > > that you show as much respect for my ideas, whether you agree with > > > > them or not, as you would like me to show for your ideas. > > > > > On Feb 7, 12:38 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > And you are demonstrating that one word may have two intended uses. A > > > > > belief in god is not the same as a belief in the sun rising. Yes, > > > > > everyone believes something. Some of us believe in testable reality > > > > > and some of us in untestable -and often proven wrong- religions. > > > > > Though the word is the same, the use is not. Your rant had no true > > > > > point, it was only that... a rant. > > > > > > On Feb 6, 9:29 pm, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > So, OZ, if I understand what you are saying, you *believe* that, > > > > > > "The > > > > > > common failure of "believers" is their inability to understand a > > > > > > simple concept: ---- Lack of belief, is not, itself, belief --- " > > > > > > > (If you don't believe that statement, then why would you make it!) > > > > > > > I find that the common failure of those who snipe at "believers" in > > > > > > the cause of atheism is their tendency to stereo-type and talk trash > > > > > > about believers. So, by your own words, you have demonstrated the > > > > > > point of my rant. > > > > > > > On Feb 6, 12:11 pm, MajorOz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The common failure of "believers" is their inability to > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > simple concept: > > > > > > > > ---- Lack of belief, is not, itself, belief --- > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > oz, learner, not believer- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
