> Irrelevant. Fairies are not Gods. Even YOU know that. Fairies and gods are both literary representations of an anthropomorphised ideal. Both entice humans to do their bidding through a series of punishments and rewards. Both live in some "other" place. Both are more than human. You are partially right though, there is a difference: fairies are much saner and more ethical than a god. Fairies have never enticed humans to genocide, systematic rape of non- believers, and world domination through force and murder.
> Not impossible. We don't know what large sea-based animals may have > become extinct and left no trace since that time. A few facts that a biology class might help with: lack of oxygen in stomachs, digestive acids and enzymes, lack of useable food and water, etc.. > Plenty of evidence that there wa sa widespread flood that encompassed > most of the ancient 'known world'. No, no there isn't. > Yup. Egyptians record using slave labour. And they admit to keeping > them in pretty much the same place as the Hebrews(not Jews!! They > weren't Jews until after Sinai.) say they lived. The fact that Egyptians kept slaves and that hebrews claim to have been slaves do not mean that hebrews were Egyptian slaves. Most Egyptian slaves came from south of Egypt. > He did attract their attention. Did you not read the bit where the > Romans crucified him for treason? He did not attract their attention, even though he was supposedly disrupting the jewish authorities. This was an instant death sentence for anyone that did this in roman occupied territories because they established local religious leaders as authorities to ease the burden of being occupied, yet no mention of christ is made anywhere in any reports sent back to command. Even Pilate makes no mention of this supposedly important person anywhere. Also, notice that the romans wanted nothing to do with him, it was the jews that insisted in the bible. Unless your contention is that romans did not follow their own policies in this one place only (in spite of proof they did) this doesn't hold water. On Feb 9, 5:41 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 8 Feb, 17:44, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > They would not be ignorant at all, the same evidence proves the > > existence of fairies, demons, and gods; and people do worship all of > > the above. > > > > Disproven: The gospels were authored by contemporaries of the supposed > > christ (This was known to be false in Kierkegaard's time). > > agreed! I discount most of the New Testament. Although there are > bits of truth in it; they're bloody hard to find! > > >A man > > living inside of a fish. > > > >A global flood. > > > >Jews being enslaved by > > Egyptians. > > > >A man walking around occupied territory attracting large > > crowds and not attracting the attention of the roman governors or > > soldiers. > > > > > >These are just a few. > > > On Feb 8, 5:14 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 7 Feb, 19:03, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The measure constantly changes in regards to mocking. What you need to > > > > realise is that many people do not see a difference between gods and > > > > fairies. > > > > They would be ignorant, then. > > > > >And many people have weighed the positive and negative > > > > aspects of religion and found the negative to be far greater than the > > > > positive. I personally have never said that there are no positive > > > > aspects, simply that the negative are active and powerful aspects > > > > while the positive are passive and easily dismissed by the negative. > > > > Easily dismissed by some. I wonder why? > > > > > If you make an assertion -like god is real- you must expect there to > > > > be opposition. Every concept has detractors. > > > > > I find your complaint about atheists stating their belief at every > > > > opportunity to be hilarious. You are guilty of an identical action. > > > > Often, your complaint and the complaint of religion not being treated > > > > nicely are interchangeable, especially among evangelical believers. It > > > > generally comes down to them having the right to talk, promote, > > > > discuss, and even go door to door harassing people, but complain > > > > loudly whenever anyone points out that there is no evidence of their > > > > belief or that specific points of belief had been disproved centuries > > > > past. > > > > Would you like to name a few specifics, here? That is, of things that > > > have been disproven. I'm just curious as to which things. And, thank > > > God, there aren't door-to-door atheists...although that would make a > > > classic comedy sketch!! > > > > > On Feb 7, 10:05 am, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Fiddler, I fear that you have misunderstood what I was saying. There > > > > > are many people who do not believe in God, and are willing to discuss > > > > > what they do believe about the way the world works. They are also > > > > > willing to share their reasons for nor believing in God. But there > > > > > are others who not only do not believe in God, but they DO believe > > > > > that anyone who DOES believe in God is a fool, and they state this > > > > > belief repeatedly. They also tend to belittle belief in God by > > > > > comparing it to belief in fairies or some other silly thing. They > > > > > also seem to believe that the effect of religion on the world has been > > > > > mostly negative, and while they can supply examples of negative > > > > > effects, they seem to be blind t the many positive effects that > > > > > religion has had. > > > > > > Now, I really don't care whether they believe these things or not, but > > > > > some of these particular atheists make it a point to state their > > > > > beliefs at every opportunity. It is as though they were on a crusade > > > > > to stamp out religion. Now, this is a forum for discussion of ideas > > > > > and beliefs. I share my thoughts and beliefs, and I try to be > > > > > respectful of the thoughts and beliefs of others. When my beliefs are > > > > > mocked and ridiculed in a forum like this, it is a sign that the other > > > > > person is not willing to listen and to discuss things rationally. > > > > > This is irritating to many of us, but it also reflects poorly on the > > > > > character of the person who is doing the mocking. I am merely asking > > > > > that you show as much respect for my ideas, whether you agree with > > > > > them or not, as you would like me to show for your ideas. > > > > > > On Feb 7, 12:38 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > And you are demonstrating that one word may have two intended uses. > > > > > > A > > > > > > belief in god is not the same as a belief in the sun rising. Yes, > > > > > > everyone believes something. Some of us believe in testable reality > > > > > > and some of us in untestable -and often proven wrong- religions. > > > > > > Though the word is the same, the use is not. Your rant had no true > > > > > > point, it was only that... a rant. > > > > > > > On Feb 6, 9:29 pm, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > So, OZ, if I understand what you are saying, you *believe* that, > > > > > > > "The > > > > > > > common failure of "believers" is their inability to understand a > > > > > > > simple concept: ---- Lack of belief, is not, itself, belief --- > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > (If you don't believe that statement, then why would you make it!) > > > > > > > > I find that the common failure of those who snipe at "believers" > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the cause of atheism is their tendency to stereo-type and talk > > > > > > > trash > > > > > > > about believers. So, by your own words, you have demonstrated the > > > > > > > point of my rant. > > > > > > > > On Feb 6, 12:11 pm, MajorOz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The common failure of "believers" is their inability to > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > simple concept: > > > > > > > > > ---- Lack of belief, is not, itself, belief --- > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > oz, learner, not believer- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
