On 9 Feb, 13:32, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Naaa Pat, I can't agree with that and I'm betting that you can't > either. > > Of course we own stuff. I mean you would not stand back and do nothing > if I come around to your house and started to remove your property > under the guise of me being od and taking back from your position what > is rightfully mine. >
I probably don't have much you'd want. The bailiff has already been by and made a list of those things HE can take. And, if that time comes, I won't be stopping him. Besides, the TV he takes has a blown picture tube. The DVD player only plays about 1 in 5 DVDs. I could go on, but the rest is a couch, 2 chairs a table and 2 bookshelves. Oh yeah, and a car that doesn't start and, even if it DID, its gearbox is shot. You don't seem to understand my level of penury. You can't really take much from me and, if you took it all, it wouldn't do me any great harm. Oh, by the way, I rent. So it's not MY house. > It is a hard line people like you and I must walk my freind. To live > in a world full of duality yet realising that this is an illusion, but > one so strong that we must treat it as truth. And in truth if you > found people in your house taking your stuff, you would call the > police. > Or laugh at them for taking a TV I'd consider paying them to remove. ;-) There's no aerial in the house, either. I'd only call the police because it's not MY house they entered and the landlord is a Magistrate. If worse came to worse and I had no place to sleep, I could always kip where I work. My most treasured possessions are my books. All of which are replaceable and/or already read/used. I've just not got anything that I couldn't do without. Other than my life. And, as I said, can you take that? Or, do you just move it on to where it was going anyway? > As to who owns your soul. Well you and I have a sense of Self, that > is as a seperate entity to the One, and to others of our kind. Yup, also a part of the illusion. we are an extension OF the One, not separate from it. If we were separate, then He could hold no claims TO us. >It may > well be true that we don't own our selves, yet we live as if we did, > all of our language shows this to be true, so why deny it? > Because our science (Special Relativity) tells us we've been wrong for a long time. Our language was based on false premisses. I know it screws with things (especially law) but the truth is better than to hide from it. We need to fully understand the implications of our findings; otherwise, we are just fooling ourselves and doing that knowingly. Wouldn't you rather face the truth, however harsh, than to be led down a garden path, only to discover the truth when it was too late? > On 9 Feb, 13:19, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 8 Feb, 17:21, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yeah, I've been mugged before, at knife point. And was happy to hand > > > > over all the money I had. Tell me, when you die, can you take your > > > > house with you? If not, then you didn't own it. You only possess > > > > yourself. And, on a deeper level, even THAT is God's. > > > > Here it is Pat, here is the passage which shows exactly what I mean by > > > such a strong illusion you may as well claim it truth. > > > > Of course when you are dead you no longer exist so even your body is > > > not owned by you. Ahhhh but when you are alive, you not only posses > > > yourself, you own your Self, and anything that you may possess long > > > enough to own. > > > > Semantic quibbles, shall we stop it there? > > > No. It IS semantic quibbles. Different levels. The 'owning' of > > oneself or one's soul is a part of the illusion as well. If the soul > > returns to its maker, then whose soul was it? You seem to have missed > > out the 'deeper level' aspect of the quote. My statements hold and > > they are true; whether or not you 'feel you choose' to differ. My > > point is that you don't own ANYTHING. God owns it ALL by virtue of > > being it all. That's functional omnipresence.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
