On 19 Feb, 14:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > You are the wiggler my friend. But the inconsistencies abound on the > court of religious dictum and dogma vs space-time continuum destiny. > What good is having a duty to fight oppression if the oppressive event > is in place or queue as part of a divinity driven decree?
Because we don't hve access to the future. >The quantum > aspects in themselves have validity within their own context but > correlation to mundane theologies leaves overwhelming voids only > explainable through anthropic perceptions and imagery. Perhaps not 'only'. To rabbits, God may be very lepine and, to wolves, lupine. >This is how > the sun managed to revolve around the earth for thousands of years > without question and a solar eclipse signified the anger of a > perceived deity which may have resulted in the sacrifice of a virgin. It still does appear that the Sun goes around the Earth. It's not blatantly obvious that it's the other way around. Not all ancient cultures thought that way, though. The Chaldeans knew better. But, of course, most of their astronomical records were kept in the Great Library at Alexandria. > So, should we pursue the idea that space-time continuum holds > relevance and is pertinent to events within our universe, particularly > on our planet in regard to human interactions, then we should abandon > any and all religious dogmas derived from superstitions and > revelations of ancient origin and let the space-time continuum reveal > it's course for the universe. How far back is 'ancient'? Plus, if I'm correct in my theory/model, then the space-time continuum doesn't hold those forms of existence which are eternal. Rather, it only holds those that are spatio- temporal...by definition. >Good and bad is black and white without > the need of countless extrapolations that set forth guidelines for > human behavior by authority eg; human authority that claims > transcendence and enlightenment as well as a direct connection to a > perceived spiritual entity of which there is no evidence of other than > it's existence within the human consciousness. That's said by someone who has not had experience of an encouter with a completely spiritual entity. Believe me, the events are rare and don't present themselves to everyone, but one person's lack of experience A does not discount another person's experience of A. >We might add that that > consciousness has fabricated numerous deities, many in human form, > which renders the entire concept as imagery of illusion. Or that deception is part of the Plan. Remember Satan and his office as the great deceiver? Having the wool pulled over some people's eyes and others being given guidance is part of the Plan. >The ancients > didn't see or hear anything more than we today and in fact had less to > go on to dispel the great myths. The first part of that argument you can't state, as you weren't there. The last part of the argument is, though, absolutely true. >Fear keeps people in check and what > greater fear is there than the fear of the unknown, fear of a creator > that destroys? And, if there is such an entity, would you not fear Him? >How much power I could have if I could get people to > believe that this creator was a friend of mine who made me to be a > direct representative. Yes. Indeed. But, if you were lying and there was such a creator, He would hold you accountable for lying in His name. In fact, if, for a moment, we take 'The Creator' as a given, for the sake of argument, then everything we do is in His name. So, what you do, you do in His name. That is why we must be careful in what we do. >These were the precepts that guided people > like Karesh and Jones who created spin off religious cultures that > many others are still processing to create. Yes. And I expect that they have inherited a great penalty for their misleading. >If the pope can do it why > can't I? Its the sheep story all over again Pat. > The only thing stopping you is your own morality. If you feel it would be wrong, then you would be averse to doing it. And, from what I know of you, you don't have it in you to intentionally mislead others in that way. > On Feb 19, 5:53 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 19 Feb, 04:06, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > But Pat, if their God says they have the right then they have the > > > right. > > > One always has a duty to fight oppression. However, 9/11 did > > absolutely nothing towards solving any Israeli/Palestinian opression. > > So, there were no Islamic grounds for 9/11. Any decent Muslim would > > tell you that. The fact that none of the people killed had anything > > to do with it, made it abstract violence an not 'an eye for an eye' in > > any way, shape or form. > > > >After all their God gave them the right to many other > > > atrocities and heinous acts against humanity, right? > > > Not by any means. > > > >Besides it might > > > be in the Space-time continuum which makes it that they are living up > > > to their destiny, right? > > > That IS true. > > > > You see? What you believe has no bearing according to your beliefs; > > > it is already written. > > > Nope. As I have no access to the future. My ball is always in my > > court. And the same holds true for us all. But, regarding the > > previous point, we ALWAYS have to accept the past as being unchangable > > and come to terms with it. That's simple Buddhist 'Acceptance'. > > > > On Feb 18, 7:38 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 18 Feb, 04:42, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > At first, I was going to copy/paste the entire prayer in a post. On > > > > > second thought, I’m only sharing a > > > > > link.http://kucinich.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28813&It... > > > > > > For those not from the USA, Dennis is a US Congressman. There have > > > > > been different sorts of propaganda against him as is the case for > > > > > every elected person. Even though I’m not personally hot on the idea > > > > > of prayer, I’m not against it and find his words from 8 years ago to > > > > > be both insightful and informative overall. Again, as much as he is a > > > > > lightning rod…and one who it is difficult for both those on the right > > > > > and the left to know for sure what to think about him…I hope that the > > > > > general views are of interest. > > > > > He definitely has MANY valid points. I'm just a bit dismayed that he > > > > didn't address the Israeli/Palestinian issue, which was the whole > > > > basis FOR the 9/11 attack anyway. Until that problem is sorted out, > > > > the Neo-Cons will always have an enemy that is trying to point out a > > > > particular sequence of oppressions. Whilst I believe that Israel have > > > > every right to exist as an individual State, they have NO right to mow > > > > down houses in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank or put up walls between > > > > communities. And, of course, someone needs to remind Israel that > > > > their actions are evidence that haven't learned from WWII that > > > > arbitrary oppression is wrong.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
