*laughing* Molly, my angel, could it be that the Mod-God role is
growing over your head? Let the real God decide who the group as a
whole is and how long it will live. Please respect the reasons I gave
for not subscribing to the typical American definition of the mutual
respect that you demand.

Peace for all.

On 20 Feb., 17:02, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> It seems to me, fiddler, that you directed your comments and opinions
> to Pat's specific ideas as presented in his posts, and the ideas of
> Islam as you understand them.  This is no infringement of the
> guidelines.  Challenging members to further explain their ideas is
> what we do here, and while you are free to express you emotions about
> the ideas, you may find they have little impact.  Where you do cross
> the line is in taunting the admin, whether it is me or any other.
> Whether you see consistency or not, it is there, and your last
> paragraph reads like a child having a tantrum, trying to create
> conflict and drama where there is none. This is the behavior that may
> eventually get you banned, because the group as a whole will not live
> with it for long.
>
> On Feb 19, 4:52 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Your argument, here and elsewhere, is entirely specious and is nothing
> > more than drivel. You say that a tool-maker who creates a jimmy-stick
> > (car door lock disabler) allows the jimmy stick to be anything that it
> > chooses, and yet will punish the tool if it is used in the fashion to
> > which it was designed simply because the jimmy stick has no idea that
> > it was designed to do so. This argument fails on so many different
> > levels that I have difficulty knowing where to start.
>
> > The best way to describe my feelings of disgust for this idea is to
> > use a vehicle for a concept, especially considering that we ourselves
> > are only self motorised vehicles. According to you and your ilk, we
> > are all vehicles for some use or whatnot. A creator, creating the
> > vehicle to be all-terrain or to be fuel efficient, then condemns the
> > vehicle if it performs adequately in the fashion that it was designed
> > to operate. The vehicle need not be aware of the limitation to violate
> > such limitation, and therefore is condemned. Your circular logic is
> > not only damaging to a single persons psyche, it is damaging to
> > humanity as a whole.
>
> > A maker of some sort being inclined to damn a person for doing that
> > which they were intended is perfectly and exactly equivalent to a
> > disturbed child crushing an insect piece by piece for the crime of not
> > flying... after the child rips its wings off. This argument that is
> > presented (i.e. that we have free will although we are created for a
> > purpose) is disgusting and wrong.
>
> > Immediately after islams inception, people began formalising lists of
> > silly arguments that are used to justify the existence of sad,
> > destructive, and dangerous arguments. You might try looking at these
> > fallacies in order not to repeat them quite so often.
>
> > Yes molly, I know. I called out someone that you "just love." Live
> > with it or ban me, I'm tired of feeling uncomfortable knowing exactly
> > what I might say that will offend your tender sensibilities. Or maybe
> > just be consistent and warn them as well when they do the same.

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