On 19 Feb, 16:06, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > " You are the wiggler my friend. But the inconsistencies abound on > the > court of religious dictum and dogma vs space-time continuum destiny. > What good is having a duty to fight oppression if the oppressive > event > is in place or queue as part of a divinity driven decree? " > > Indeed ! In fact this space-time continuum destiny thing is so much > humbug, a last - straw position of the psychologically obsessed to > arrive at something definitive even if there isn't one. And nobody > needs to feel hurt by this fact. >
So you pray, my friend. You'll come to find, though, that I'm correct. Luckily, your own nature and good deeds IN this space-time continuum will testify to those good works and you'll thank God that they can! > The truth is that the human universe is in his mind. And, that is > determined entirely by one's knowledge, values, belief and attitudes, > the combination of which variations would make each individual's > universe unique. The objective one that Neil is chasing is also a mere > add - on feature in that universe, at best a footnote, in small or > large print, one amongst the millions already there, changing nothing > of that substratum ground of knowledge, values, beliefs and attitudes. > We (the many) are all footnotes in the eyes of the One. > I've ruled out the religious and scientific from major role playing in > the making of the man, his universe. What matters is his self, his > idea of himself, his knowledge of himself - material, physical, > psychological, mental, intellectual and spiritual. > Yet you deny me my knowledge of the universe. Curious. That doesn't quite jive, in my mind. > All things religious to scientific take on a meaning, or not, this or > that, within the architecture of that which is in the mind of the > man. > And that mind is but a subset in the mind of the One. The mind of the One is the mind we explore when we explore our mind. > What is ? ! > The answer to that is easy. It's ! > On Feb 19, 7:46 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You are the wiggler my friend. But the inconsistencies abound on the > > court of religious dictum and dogma vs space-time continuum destiny. > > What good is having a duty to fight oppression if the oppressive event > > is in place or queue as part of a divinity driven decree? The quantum > > aspects in themselves have validity within their own context but > > correlation to mundane theologies leaves overwhelming voids only > > explainable through anthropic perceptions and imagery. This is how > > the sun managed to revolve around the earth for thousands of years > > without question and a solar eclipse signified the anger of a > > perceived deity which may have resulted in the sacrifice of a virgin. > > So, should we pursue the idea that space-time continuum holds > > relevance and is pertinent to events within our universe, particularly > > on our planet in regard to human interactions, then we should abandon > > any and all religious dogmas derived from superstitions and > > revelations of ancient origin and let the space-time continuum reveal > > it's course for the universe. Good and bad is black and white without > > the need of countless extrapolations that set forth guidelines for > > human behavior by authority eg; human authority that claims > > transcendence and enlightenment as well as a direct connection to a > > perceived spiritual entity of which there is no evidence of other than > > it's existence within the human consciousness. We might add that that > > consciousness has fabricated numerous deities, many in human form, > > which renders the entire concept as imagery of illusion. The ancients > > didn't see or hear anything more than we today and in fact had less to > > go on to dispel the great myths. Fear keeps people in check and what > > greater fear is there than the fear of the unknown, fear of a creator > > that destroys? How much power I could have if I could get people to > > believe that this creator was a friend of mine who made me to be a > > direct representative. These were the precepts that guided people > > like Karesh and Jones who created spin off religious cultures that > > many others are still processing to create. If the pope can do it why > > can't I? Its the sheep story all over again Pat. > > > On Feb 19, 5:53 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 19 Feb, 04:06, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > But Pat, if their God says they have the right then they have the > > > > right. > > > > One always has a duty to fight oppression. However, 9/11 did > > > absolutely nothing towards solving any Israeli/Palestinian opression. > > > So, there were no Islamic grounds for 9/11. Any decent Muslim would > > > tell you that. The fact that none of the people killed had anything > > > to do with it, made it abstract violence an not 'an eye for an eye' in > > > any way, shape or form. > > > > >After all their God gave them the right to many other > > > > atrocities and heinous acts against humanity, right? > > > > Not by any means. > > > > >Besides it might > > > > be in the Space-time continuum which makes it that they are living up > > > > to their destiny, right? > > > > That IS true. > > > > > You see? What you believe has no bearing according to your beliefs; > > > > it is already written. > > > > Nope. As I have no access to the future. My ball is always in my > > > court. And the same holds true for us all. But, regarding the > > > previous point, we ALWAYS have to accept the past as being unchangable > > > and come to terms with it. That's simple Buddhist 'Acceptance'. > > > > > On Feb 18, 7:38 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 18 Feb, 04:42, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > At first, I was going to copy/paste the entire prayer in a post. On > > > > > > second thought, I’m only sharing a > > > > > > link.http://kucinich.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28813&It... > > > > > > > For those not from the USA, Dennis is a US Congressman. There have > > > > > > been different sorts of propaganda against him as is the case for > > > > > > every elected person. Even though I’m not personally hot on the idea > > > > > > of prayer, I’m not against it and find his words from 8 years ago to > > > > > > be both insightful and informative overall. Again, as much as he is > > > > > > a > > > > > > lightning rod…and one who it is difficult for both those on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > and the left to know for sure what to think about him…I hope that > > > > > > the > > > > > > general views are of interest. > > > > > > He definitely has MANY valid points. I'm just a bit dismayed that he > > > > > didn't address the Israeli/Palestinian issue, which was the whole > > > > > basis FOR the 9/11 attack anyway. Until that problem is sorted out, > > > > > the Neo-Cons will always have an enemy that is trying to point out a > > > > > particular sequence of oppressions. Whilst I believe that Israel have > > > > > every right to exist as an individual State, they have NO right to mow > > > > > down houses in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank or put up walls between > > > > > communities. And, of course, someone needs to remind Israel that > > > > > their actions are evidence that haven't learned from WWII that > > > > > arbitrary oppression is wrong.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
