A well reasoned response Richard... On Feb 21, 1:08 pm, RichardM <[email protected]> wrote: > As someone who teaches and has practiced law, I have come to object to > the use of the death penalty because it is inherently arbitrary and > capricious in use. For one, it tends to be applied to poor defendants > who cannot afford good legal representation--including things such as > DNA evidence. Secondly, there is always a great deal of uncertainty > in the identification of defendants by witnesses. There are now many > studies that show that witnesses pick out the wrong people, partly > because of prejudice, partly because they did not see clearly what was > happening, and partly because of imperfect memory. The Innocence > Project has found substantial numbers of criminal defendants, some on > death row, who, when their cases were carefully reexamined, turned out > to be innocent. More evidence on the inherent unfairness of the death > penalty comes simply in the facts that most executions in the U.S. > occur in a few states such as Texas and Louisiana, and a > disproportionate number of those executed belong to minority groups. > The death penalty cannot be administered fairly and with sufficient > certainty, and therefore most civilized countries--including Russia-- > have abolished it. > > On Feb 20, 7:56 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I can only suppose that when you say 'criminals who are no longer > > members of the human race', that you do not mean this litraly, and so > > I'll look on it as a strange turn of phrase. > > > I can't justify the unjustifiable, who can? > > I have no qualms about abortion, okay well I do but I'm certianly pro > > choice. > > > On 19 Feb, 14:59, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I am referring to criminals who are no longer members of the human > > > race due to their actions- they should be eliminated. How do you > > > justify the killing in war of other humans- military and civilians? Or > > > the abortion of a fetus because a new life would be inconvenient to > > > the mother? I do make exceptions for rape, incest or truly messed up > > > physical conditions of the mother or child. Anyhoo...unlike Britain we > > > have run out of continents to dump our criminals upon= Australia. > > > > On Feb 18, 4:41 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey Rigs, > > > > > Yes I mean all of that. As the dominant species on this little planet > > > > it falls to us to take care of the Earth. > > > > > A freind of mine said to me a few weeks ago, 'you have strong moral > > > > prinicples don't you Lee, I never realised you where like that' Now > > > > after 20 years of knowing me, I would have thought he might have > > > > gleaned that much of me, ahh but then I am quite the private man. > > > > > Anyhoo this was in evidance agian just a few days back when my yougest > > > > son was endulging in a spot of cat botthering, by which I mean he had > > > > picked up one of the cats and was forcedly strocking her whilst > > > > pinning her down on the sofa. Her yowls alerted me to her discomfort > > > > and I had to tell the boy to let the cat go. When the inevitable > > > > 'back talk' started I explianed that 'the noises the cat was making > > > > meant that she did not like what you where doing to her', and his > > > > reply come back a mummbled 'but it's only a cat dad', I had to explian > > > > that cat or not she is still a living breathing sentiant being and she > > > > made it clear that she did not like what you where doing to her. I > > > > think he got the point, I hope he got the point. > > > > > The point? The point is as I have shown in the greatest evil thread, > > > > the greatest evil is the denial of choice, is this also valid for the > > > > other sentiant speices we share this planet with? How can it not be? > > > > > It is also as a direct result of this point that I simply cannot agree > > > > with the dealth penalty under any circumstances. > > > > > In my youth I used to think mental health less important than > > > > physical health, now of course I 'know' better. A Physicaly disabled > > > > human can still live a full an exciting life, yet a human with mental > > > > health issues can always be that little step away from suicide. > > > > > Do emotions play a part in good mental health then? Yes of course > > > > they do, this includes incredibly, hurt feelings. > > > > > So in my real life example above, the hurt felines (pun intended) of > > > > my poor pussy where indeed uppermost in my mind. > > > > > On 18 Feb, 10:10, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You mean the animal kingdom that we have systematically slaughtered? > > > > > Or the human kingdom that plays war and violence on such a regular > > > > > basis? Or the vegetable kingdom that we have mutated and deprived of > > > > > healthy soil and water? //I am for the death penalty for serious human > > > > > crimes based on serious evidence. Prison is turning into a Holiday Inn > > > > > with three meals a day, fresh laundry, etc. plus it is big business > > > > > like nursing homes. Why can't prisoners shovel snow and weed gardens > > > > > chain gang style in striped p.j.'s for the non-criminal citizens > > > > > instead of enjoying their hiatus? > > > > > > On Feb 18, 3:19 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > This is a worry Fids. Not only the great apes, but all of the > > > > > > animal > > > > > > kingdom. Our bio diversity is much needed, until such a time as we > > > > > > get to grips with genetic manipulation. > > > > > > > On 18 Feb, 04:25, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > sorry slip, I'm not a theist. I don't give up because a bronze age > > > > > > > goatherder said so or take some schizophrenics word for complete > > > > > > > knowledge of "truth." I did hear that a oneness said something or > > > > > > > other to a guy named firm-palm-touch... of course that particular > > > > > > > theist won't publish the idea in a peer-reviewed journal... > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 7:52 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It doesn't really matter fidd, we're only heading toward a > > > > > > > > nuclear > > > > > > > > holocaust anyway and the threat of such is currently escalating. > > > > > > > > Haven't you heard? It's already documented in the space-time > > > > > > > > continuum; we just haven't received the bulletin yet. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 9:38 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Possibly the only true death penalty/unforgivable crime > > > > > > > > > category: the > > > > > > > > > poaching of fellow primates and destruction of habitat for our > > > > > > > > > cousins. How long until we are the only african ape? Too damn > > > > > > > > > long for > > > > > > > > > poachers and witch-doctors. > > > > > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/02/17/endangered.species/index.h... > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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