Tudor England was indeed no picnic, rigsy. In terms of contemporary
comparison however, it was one of the more peaceful, law-abiding
civilized places. For most of the 16th. Century, Italy was chaotic and
the Holy Roman Empire (centred on Germany) was spasming in the throes
of the Reformation and the immense amount of conflict and bloodshed it
brought in its wake. France spent most of the century in Civil/
Religious war (the St. Bartholemew's Day massacre being just one
spectacular highlight) and Russia was experiencing its rather painful
first leap into modernity under the benevolent rule of Ivan the
Terrible. Most of South Eastern Europe was under Turkish control,
although that might have been advantageous for much of the
populations, given the alternatives.  Ironically, the only other part
of Europe where things were generally peaceful and law-abiding  was
the great enemy (for most of the period) of Tudor England, Spain (and
Portugal). As long as you weren't a Jew or didn't run foul of the
Inquisition for some reason, of course!

On 21 Feb., 13:09, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Religion has probably executed more than politics. Tudor England was
> gruesome.
>
> On Feb 19, 4:46 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Traitor to what? Disagreement is the most common charge of being a
> > traitor, do you really want that to be a reason for why you are
> > executed? Statistically you will disagree with those in power more
> > often than not. Throughout history, those disagreements are the reason
> > that people are executed for treason, not some criminal act.
>
> > On Feb 19, 2:36 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Right on Rigs!  People wonder why recidivism is so high.  I don't
> > > wonder at all considering many of these folks don't live near as well
> > > when they have to fend for themselves.  Too many want to get caught so
> > > they can go back to the routine.  The death penalty should be reserved
> > > for the lowest scum bags on the earth.  Career rapists, sadistic
> > > murderers and, of course, traitors and terrorists.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > You mean the animal kingdom that we have systematically slaughtered?
> > > > Or the human kingdom that plays war and violence on such a regular
> > > > basis? Or the vegetable kingdom that we have mutated and deprived of
> > > > healthy soil and water? //I am for the death penalty for serious human
> > > > crimes based on serious evidence. Prison is turning into a Holiday Inn
> > > > with three meals a day, fresh laundry, etc. plus it is big business
> > > > like nursing homes. Why can't prisoners shovel snow and weed gardens
> > > > chain gang style in striped p.j.'s  for the non-criminal citizens
> > > > instead of enjoying their hiatus?
>
> > > > On Feb 18, 3:19 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> This is a worry Fids.  Not only the great apes, but all of the animal
> > > >> kingdom.  Our bio diversity is much needed, until such a time as we
> > > >> get to grips with genetic manipulation.
>
> > > >> On 18 Feb, 04:25, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > sorry slip, I'm not a theist. I don't give up because a bronze age
> > > >> > goatherder said so or take some schizophrenics word for complete
> > > >> > knowledge of "truth." I did hear that a oneness said something or
> > > >> > other to a guy named firm-palm-touch... of course that particular
> > > >> > theist won't publish the idea in a peer-reviewed journal...
>
> > > >> > On Feb 17, 7:52 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > >> > > It doesn't really matter fidd, we're only heading toward a nuclear
> > > >> > > holocaust anyway and the threat of such is currently escalating.
> > > >> > > Haven't you heard?  It's already documented in the space-time
> > > >> > > continuum; we just haven't received the bulletin yet.
>
> > > >> > > On Feb 17, 9:38 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > >> > > > Possibly the only true death penalty/unforgivable crime 
> > > >> > > > category: the
> > > >> > > > poaching of fellow primates and destruction of habitat for our
> > > >> > > > cousins. How long until we are the only african ape? Too damn 
> > > >> > > > long for
> > > >> > > > poachers and witch-doctors.
>
> > > >> > > >http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/02/17/endangered.species/index.h...-
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