Thank you. I stick to my opinion and see too many other methods for rationalizing murder beyond the judicial system.
On Feb 23, 9:06 am, RichardM <[email protected]> wrote: > The Tudors did start in a bloody way--it was Henry VIII who invented > the practice of drawing and quartering alleged traitors. However, by > the time of Elizabeth I, the use of the death penalty began slowly to > taper off--for example, Elizabeth ended the burning of "heretics"--and > by the 18th century, although the death penalty remained on the books > for dozens of offenses, juries began to refuse to convict in death > penalty offenses, which led the authorities to substitute > "transportation" to penal colonies such as what became the American > state of Georgia. At the same time, England abolished torture, as did > the Netherlands. In the next century, England restricted the use of > the death penalty to cases of murder. Finally, after most European > countries abolished the death penalty in reaction to Nazi atrocities > (if you visit Germany, you will see memorials which mention that one > of the Nazi crimes against humanity was wholesale use of the death > penalty, even for non-ethnic and non-political reasons), and the UK > finally got rid of it in the 1970s. That left the US as one of the > few developed countries (Japan and China being the others) still > practicing capital punishment. > > On Feb 22, 9:48 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Let's not forget Spain's bloodthirst in the New World against > > indigenous tribes- for God and gold.//As for Tudor England, I think of > > heads on pikes the drawing and quartering plus all the other tortures > > plus the beheadings.And the Star Chamber, etc. But then, I recently > > read Rome cruxified 6,000 slaves that rebelled- Spartacus. > > > On Feb 21, 1:34 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Tudor England was indeed no picnic, rigsy. In terms of contemporary > > > comparison however, it was one of the more peaceful, law-abiding > > > civilized places. For most of the 16th. Century, Italy was chaotic and > > > the Holy Roman Empire (centred on Germany) was spasming in the throes > > > of the Reformation and the immense amount of conflict and bloodshed it > > > brought in its wake. France spent most of the century in Civil/ > > > Religious war (the St. Bartholemew's Day massacre being just one > > > spectacular highlight) and Russia was experiencing its rather painful > > > first leap into modernity under the benevolent rule of Ivan the > > > Terrible. Most of South Eastern Europe was under Turkish control, > > > although that might have been advantageous for much of the > > > populations, given the alternatives. Ironically, the only other part > > > of Europe where things were generally peaceful and law-abiding was > > > the great enemy (for most of the period) of Tudor England, Spain (and > > > Portugal). As long as you weren't a Jew or didn't run foul of the > > > Inquisition for some reason, of course! > > > > On 21 Feb., 13:09, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Religion has probably executed more than politics. Tudor England was > > > > gruesome. > > > > > On Feb 19, 4:46 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Traitor to what? Disagreement is the most common charge of being a > > > > > traitor, do you really want that to be a reason for why you are > > > > > executed? Statistically you will disagree with those in power more > > > > > often than not. Throughout history, those disagreements are the reason > > > > > that people are executed for treason, not some criminal act. > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2:36 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Right on Rigs! People wonder why recidivism is so high. I don't > > > > > > wonder at all considering many of these folks don't live near as > > > > > > well > > > > > > when they have to fend for themselves. Too many want to get caught > > > > > > so > > > > > > they can go back to the routine. The death penalty should be > > > > > > reserved > > > > > > for the lowest scum bags on the earth. Career rapists, sadistic > > > > > > murderers and, of course, traitors and terrorists. > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You mean the animal kingdom that we have systematically > > > > > > > slaughtered? > > > > > > > Or the human kingdom that plays war and violence on such a regular > > > > > > > basis? Or the vegetable kingdom that we have mutated and deprived > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > healthy soil and water? //I am for the death penalty for serious > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > crimes based on serious evidence. Prison is turning into a > > > > > > > Holiday Inn > > > > > > > with three meals a day, fresh laundry, etc. plus it is big > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > like nursing homes. Why can't prisoners shovel snow and weed > > > > > > > gardens > > > > > > > chain gang style in striped p.j.'s for the non-criminal citizens > > > > > > > instead of enjoying their hiatus? > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 3:19 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> This is a worry Fids. Not only the great apes, but all of the > > > > > > >> animal > > > > > > >> kingdom. Our bio diversity is much needed, until such a time as > > > > > > >> we > > > > > > >> get to grips with genetic manipulation. > > > > > > > >> On 18 Feb, 04:25, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > sorry slip, I'm not a theist. I don't give up because a bronze > > > > > > >> > age > > > > > > >> > goatherder said so or take some schizophrenics word for > > > > > > >> > complete > > > > > > >> > knowledge of "truth." I did hear that a oneness said something > > > > > > >> > or > > > > > > >> > other to a guy named firm-palm-touch... of course that > > > > > > >> > particular > > > > > > >> > theist won't publish the idea in a peer-reviewed journal... > > > > > > > >> > On Feb 17, 7:52 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > It doesn't really matter fidd, we're only heading toward a > > > > > > >> > > nuclear > > > > > > >> > > holocaust anyway and the threat of such is currently > > > > > > >> > > escalating. > > > > > > >> > > Haven't you heard? It's already documented in the space-time > > > > > > >> > > continuum; we just haven't received the bulletin yet. > > > > > > > >> > > On Feb 17, 9:38 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > Possibly the only true death penalty/unforgivable crime > > > > > > >> > > > category: the > > > > > > >> > > > poaching of fellow primates and destruction of habitat for > > > > > > >> > > > our > > > > > > >> > > > cousins. How long until we are the only african ape? Too > > > > > > >> > > > damn long for > > > > > > >> > > > poachers and witch-doctors. > > > > > > > >> > > >http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/02/17/endangered.species/index.h... > > > > > > > >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > > > > > Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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