It's interesting that the 3 countries with the largest economies have the death penalty. Coincidence? Or am I wrong in thinking China has now eclipsed Germany for the third slot? I don't see a connection but it is interesting just the same.
dj On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:06 AM, RichardM <[email protected]> wrote: > The Tudors did start in a bloody way--it was Henry VIII who invented > the practice of drawing and quartering alleged traitors. However, by > the time of Elizabeth I, the use of the death penalty began slowly to > taper off--for example, Elizabeth ended the burning of "heretics"--and > by the 18th century, although the death penalty remained on the books > for dozens of offenses, juries began to refuse to convict in death > penalty offenses, which led the authorities to substitute > "transportation" to penal colonies such as what became the American > state of Georgia. At the same time, England abolished torture, as did > the Netherlands. In the next century, England restricted the use of > the death penalty to cases of murder. Finally, after most European > countries abolished the death penalty in reaction to Nazi atrocities > (if you visit Germany, you will see memorials which mention that one > of the Nazi crimes against humanity was wholesale use of the death > penalty, even for non-ethnic and non-political reasons), and the UK > finally got rid of it in the 1970s. That left the US as one of the > few developed countries (Japan and China being the others) still > practicing capital punishment. > > On Feb 22, 9:48 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> Let's not forget Spain's bloodthirst in the New World against >> indigenous tribes- for God and gold.//As for Tudor England, I think of >> heads on pikes the drawing and quartering plus all the other tortures >> plus the beheadings.And the Star Chamber, etc. But then, I recently >> read Rome cruxified 6,000 slaves that rebelled- Spartacus. >> >> On Feb 21, 1:34 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Tudor England was indeed no picnic, rigsy. In terms of contemporary >> > comparison however, it was one of the more peaceful, law-abiding >> > civilized places. For most of the 16th. Century, Italy was chaotic and >> > the Holy Roman Empire (centred on Germany) was spasming in the throes >> > of the Reformation and the immense amount of conflict and bloodshed it >> > brought in its wake. France spent most of the century in Civil/ >> > Religious war (the St. Bartholemew's Day massacre being just one >> > spectacular highlight) and Russia was experiencing its rather painful >> > first leap into modernity under the benevolent rule of Ivan the >> > Terrible. Most of South Eastern Europe was under Turkish control, >> > although that might have been advantageous for much of the >> > populations, given the alternatives. Ironically, the only other part >> > of Europe where things were generally peaceful and law-abiding was >> > the great enemy (for most of the period) of Tudor England, Spain (and >> > Portugal). As long as you weren't a Jew or didn't run foul of the >> > Inquisition for some reason, of course! >> >> > On 21 Feb., 13:09, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > Religion has probably executed more than politics. Tudor England was >> > > gruesome. >> >> > > On Feb 19, 4:46 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Traitor to what? Disagreement is the most common charge of being a >> > > > traitor, do you really want that to be a reason for why you are >> > > > executed? Statistically you will disagree with those in power more >> > > > often than not. Throughout history, those disagreements are the reason >> > > > that people are executed for treason, not some criminal act. >> >> > > > On Feb 19, 2:36 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > Right on Rigs! People wonder why recidivism is so high. I don't >> > > > > wonder at all considering many of these folks don't live near as well >> > > > > when they have to fend for themselves. Too many want to get caught >> > > > > so >> > > > > they can go back to the routine. The death penalty should be >> > > > > reserved >> > > > > for the lowest scum bags on the earth. Career rapists, sadistic >> > > > > murderers and, of course, traitors and terrorists. >> >> > > > > dj >> >> > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > You mean the animal kingdom that we have systematically >> > > > > > slaughtered? >> > > > > > Or the human kingdom that plays war and violence on such a regular >> > > > > > basis? Or the vegetable kingdom that we have mutated and deprived >> > > > > > of >> > > > > > healthy soil and water? //I am for the death penalty for serious >> > > > > > human >> > > > > > crimes based on serious evidence. Prison is turning into a Holiday >> > > > > > Inn >> > > > > > with three meals a day, fresh laundry, etc. plus it is big business >> > > > > > like nursing homes. Why can't prisoners shovel snow and weed >> > > > > > gardens >> > > > > > chain gang style in striped p.j.'s for the non-criminal citizens >> > > > > > instead of enjoying their hiatus? >> >> > > > > > On Feb 18, 3:19 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> This is a worry Fids. Not only the great apes, but all of the >> > > > > >> animal >> > > > > >> kingdom. Our bio diversity is much needed, until such a time as >> > > > > >> we >> > > > > >> get to grips with genetic manipulation. >> >> > > > > >> On 18 Feb, 04:25, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > sorry slip, I'm not a theist. I don't give up because a bronze >> > > > > >> > age >> > > > > >> > goatherder said so or take some schizophrenics word for complete >> > > > > >> > knowledge of "truth." I did hear that a oneness said something >> > > > > >> > or >> > > > > >> > other to a guy named firm-palm-touch... of course that >> > > > > >> > particular >> > > > > >> > theist won't publish the idea in a peer-reviewed journal... >> >> > > > > >> > On Feb 17, 7:52 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > > It doesn't really matter fidd, we're only heading toward a >> > > > > >> > > nuclear >> > > > > >> > > holocaust anyway and the threat of such is currently >> > > > > >> > > escalating. >> > > > > >> > > Haven't you heard? It's already documented in the space-time >> > > > > >> > > continuum; we just haven't received the bulletin yet. >> >> > > > > >> > > On Feb 17, 9:38 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > > > Possibly the only true death penalty/unforgivable crime >> > > > > >> > > > category: the >> > > > > >> > > > poaching of fellow primates and destruction of habitat for >> > > > > >> > > > our >> > > > > >> > > > cousins. How long until we are the only african ape? Too >> > > > > >> > > > damn long for >> > > > > >> > > > poachers and witch-doctors. >> >> > > > > >> > > >http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/02/17/endangered.species/index.h... >> >> > > > > >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > > > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >> > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > > > > [email protected]. >> > > > > > For more options, visit this group >> > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - >> >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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