Ahhh I see. Yes this is my belife, I see the evidance for it all over the place, I do not think saying so means I have decied on your behalf though, just this is what I belive.
Do you belive otherwise? Another example I use is to be loved. Hopefully all of us here feel that we are or have been loved by others? Yet such a belife simply cannot be objectivly shown, not ubnless we can actulay read others minds. Instead I belive my wife loves me for many reasons. She tells me so(she might be lying) her actions lead me to belive she does(she might be lying), my own experiances of loving another means that I can see similar signs in her(she ie not me, and I not her though so I may have readher wrongly). In short although I'm certian that my wife loves me, I take it on faith that she actualy does and is not deciving me. Yes I think I stand by my initial premise. On 26 Feb, 14:04, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > The point I always seek to make ... Us humans act both on faith basedshown > ideas and logical well reasoned ideas... The normal kind of rebutal > is ... The isssue is we all have some kinds of fiath, and it is quite > normal for us to be this way... be my guests. > > On Feb 26, 2:02 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Huh!? Sorry Gabs, did I do that? I don't belive I have, can you show > > me which of my words has caused you to think so? > > > On 26 Feb, 12:09, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > How come that you, Lee, decide for us what the norm for humans and > > > their respective faith is? > > > > I don't have a problem with the faith/science destinction. Little > > > Science historically evolved from what was then subsumed under The Big > > > Faith. Very simply speaking. There was science then and there is faith > > > now. There is spontanous action and there is reasoned action. This > > > matter is too banal to contemplate on, if you ask me. What interests > > > me is how much us humans have forgotten or have been made forgotten > > > and why. > > > > On Feb 26, 11:26 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey Chris, > > > > > Yep indeed that is one of the claims that I regularly make. Well > > > > almost. I wouldn't call science faith based, I would though say that > > > > the knowledge we gather on a personal level has some element of faith > > > > in it. > > > > > I say this though not in an angy triumphent voice (at least I don't > > > > think I do, please do let me know if I do), nor do I say it because > > > > I'm trying to equate religion and science, it's more as a defense > > > > agianst those who tell me that religious faith is an unreasonable > > > > supposition. > > > > > I have no problems in admiting this, and admitedly that was not always > > > > the case. Infact it was a converation with our Chris a few years back > > > > that made me revaulate my stance. The point I always seek to make > > > > when this one pops out of my mouth (or fingers perhaps) is simply > > > > this. > > > > > Us humans act both on faith based ideas and logical well reasoned > > > > ideas. I like to say this and watch how some non belivers go almost > > > > volcanic in denial of this 'truth'. The normal kind of rebutal is > > > > along the lines of 'religous faith is not the same as other types of > > > > faith' and yes that is probably correct but it is not the issue. > > > > > The isssue is we all have some kinds of fiath, and it is quite normal > > > > for us to be this way. No if you wish to subdivided faith into little > > > > tiny pieces and claim that this makes a massive differance, be my > > > > guests, I won't only not belive you, but I'll be thinking 'wow look > > > > how defensive he has just gotten, hit a nerve perhaps'? > > > > > A quickly snapped out denial in in such a mannor to me looks much like > > > > intectual dishonesty. > > > > > I have some faith, you have some faith, she does , he does, we all > > > > do. Just 'fess up' and admit it okay?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
