Heh it clear that you do Gabs, I'll need to go grab a coffee, and a dictionary and theosuras, and spend some time in thought to decode what you have just communicated to me!
On 26 Feb, 17:02, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I live differently then. Love is definitely a constitutional element > or part of my belief system, which means I can never be certain of it. > Whereas certainty and someone actually doing something would count as > reflected perception transformed into knowledge being communicated, > gathered and agreed upon as the current norm. > > On 26 Feb., 16:13, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ahhh I see. > > > Yes this is my belife, I see the evidance for it all over the place, I > > do not think saying so means I have decied on your behalf though, just > > this is what I belive. > > > Do you belive otherwise? > > > Another example I use is to be loved. Hopefully all of us here feel > > that we are or have been loved by others? > > > Yet such a belife simply cannot be objectivly shown, not ubnless we > > can actulay read others minds. Instead I belive my wife loves me for > > many reasons. She tells me so(she might be lying) her actions lead me > > to belive she does(she might be lying), my own experiances of loving > > another means that I can see similar signs in her(she ie not me, and I > > not her though so I may have readher wrongly). > > > In short although I'm certian that my wife loves me, I take it on > > faith that she actualy does and is not deciving me. > > > Yes I think I stand by my initial premise. > > > On 26 Feb, 14:04, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The point I always seek to make ... Us humans act both on faith > > > basedshown > > > ideas and logical well reasoned ideas... The normal kind of rebutal > > > is ... The isssue is we all have some kinds of fiath, and it is quite > > > normal for us to be this way... be my guests. > > > > On Feb 26, 2:02 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Huh!? Sorry Gabs, did I do that? I don't belive I have, can you show > > > > me which of my words has caused you to think so? > > > > > On 26 Feb, 12:09, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > How come that you, Lee, decide for us what the norm for humans and > > > > > their respective faith is? > > > > > > I don't have a problem with the faith/science destinction. Little > > > > > Science historically evolved from what was then subsumed under The Big > > > > > Faith. Very simply speaking. There was science then and there is faith > > > > > now. There is spontanous action and there is reasoned action. This > > > > > matter is too banal to contemplate on, if you ask me. What interests > > > > > me is how much us humans have forgotten or have been made forgotten > > > > > and why. > > > > > > On Feb 26, 11:26 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Chris, > > > > > > > Yep indeed that is one of the claims that I regularly make. Well > > > > > > almost. I wouldn't call science faith based, I would though say > > > > > > that > > > > > > the knowledge we gather on a personal level has some element of > > > > > > faith > > > > > > in it. > > > > > > > I say this though not in an angy triumphent voice (at least I don't > > > > > > think I do, please do let me know if I do), nor do I say it because > > > > > > I'm trying to equate religion and science, it's more as a defense > > > > > > agianst those who tell me that religious faith is an unreasonable > > > > > > supposition. > > > > > > > I have no problems in admiting this, and admitedly that was not > > > > > > always > > > > > > the case. Infact it was a converation with our Chris a few years > > > > > > back > > > > > > that made me revaulate my stance. The point I always seek to make > > > > > > when this one pops out of my mouth (or fingers perhaps) is simply > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > Us humans act both on faith based ideas and logical well reasoned > > > > > > ideas. I like to say this and watch how some non belivers go almost > > > > > > volcanic in denial of this 'truth'. The normal kind of rebutal is > > > > > > along the lines of 'religous faith is not the same as other types of > > > > > > faith' and yes that is probably correct but it is not the issue. > > > > > > > The isssue is we all have some kinds of fiath, and it is quite > > > > > > normal > > > > > > for us to be this way. No if you wish to subdivided faith into > > > > > > little > > > > > > tiny pieces and claim that this makes a massive differance, be my > > > > > > guests, I won't only not belive you, but I'll be thinking 'wow look > > > > > > how defensive he has just gotten, hit a nerve perhaps'? > > > > > > > A quickly snapped out denial in in such a mannor to me looks much > > > > > > like > > > > > > intectual dishonesty. > > > > > > > I have some faith, you have some faith, she does , he does, we all > > > > > > do. 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