On 12 Mar, 02:26, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Alternatively, you've got the cart before the horse. We humans have > > > > knowledge because a subset of God's all-encompassing knowledge is > > > > afforded us by Him. <<Pat > > > > Supposition entirely and from where you proceed in order to construct > > > the rest of the design. Knowledge 'afforded' us would in that account > > > be more uniform, unilateral without discrepancy or the conflict of > > > false knowledge and true knowledge as in the case of Gallileo and > > > reveal itself to be more so, instinctive knowledge. <<Slip > > > Not if you aren't afforded that. And galileo was afforded what he was > > afforded. <<Pat > > Again your basing your response totally on your own supposition that > the only way we can gain knowledge is by the doling out of allowed > levels of understanding and ability to learn by some imaginary deity. > <<Slip > > > > > >We have in record > > > perceived and calculated knowledge by experience, subsequently failing > > > at times to perceive actual truths and bounding forward on faulty > > > conjecture until, through alternate experience, truth emerged.<<Slip > > > Therefore demonstrating our limited knowledge.<< Pat > > You are saying absolutely nothing here. It demonstrates how we have > struggled along on our own since our primordial beginnings, how we > accumulated knowledge from experience and discovery. There is no > indication that we were allowed to have some knowledge or the > limitation of knowledge. <<Slip >
You've assumed, without proof, that we are alone and that God is not with us. Just because you cannot see God with your eyes, doesn't mean He's not present. You don't see the air around you. > > > > >We > > > can't simply dismiss or disregard thousands of years of floundering on > > > myths and notions in an attempt to establish the Harrington Theorem of > > > deity knowledge which postulates an imparting of human knowledge by a > > > third party source presented as the gate keeper of all knowledge. Slip > > > Which is not my postulate. Rather, I postulate that the One created > > us as third party items where He is the one reality that holds the lot > > and that lot exceed the addition of our allotments. <<Pat > > It is so your postulate, it is exactly what you keep reiterating. > Allotments? Its the same as before with a new word. Now your saying > we were created as imbeciles who would receive little tokens of > knowledge every once in a while? Like God's assistant runs over and > says: "God, the humans are very cold and freezing, what should we > do?" and God answers "Give them the knowledge of how to start fire, > but nothing more, I want them to suffer for my pleasure, I enjoy > seeing those little creatures I created suffer". Slip > LOL!! It's always nice to be told what I think by someone who has never met me. You don't know the whole of my theory, only the drips that I give you. Do you think God treats you differently than I do? What I objected to as "not a part of my theory" was your reference to a 'third party'. THAT is not a part of my theory. There is only One. How can there be a third party if there is no second? > > > > > Further allowing this persuasion to continue as even remotely valid I > > > would assume that the gate keeper is in utter bliss and ecstasy by > > > withholding knowledge that would alleviate a great deal of death and > > > suffering at the hands of horrid diseases. Slip > > > You would find no cures if there were no diseases. Think a little > > about that. <<Pat > > Think about that? What is there to think about, that is absurd. If > there were no diseases we would have to worry about finding cures. > You make it sound like it all a big game and it is just loads of fun > finding cures for people living agonizing lives on account of disease. > <<Slip It IS a game. Put more appropriately, it's a test and how we react to those testing elements is the basis for how we will be judged. Whilst some find it fun, others don't. God doesn't find it fun, per se, as he takes no pleasure, as any pleasure that is had (by any) is already His, as is any pain (had by any). If you refuse to think about things, then you will find NO answers. And you stand as a limit to yourself. Why do that? > > > > > >Perhaps you can initiate a > > > petition to spare all our lives by "affording" us the knowledge of > > > "Cures". <<Slip > > > If my petitions are accepted, it would only be by His permission. Do > > you accept that you are diseased? If so, I'll ask for the cure. ;-) > > And why, for one, do you think that I would want to cure all > > diseases? That would, by your logic, rob us of the pleasure of > > finding the cures ourselves (by my logic, having that knowledge when > > it is dispensed). Personally, I'd rather solve world hunger than cure > > all known diseases. Or bring peace ot the Middle East. <<Pat > > World hunger, world peace, disease all fall into the same lot Pat, > there is no selective need here. Unfortunately you are sold on this > idea of a deity that is dangling food above the starving for some > warped reason. I don't see it that way and there is no reasoning > which would support such a notion. You can go on with that fantasy if > you like, I'll pass. <<Slip > > > > > >Snap! Back to reality and the understanding that we have > > > developed our own storehouse of knowledge through experience, > > > discovery and experiment. Our conglomeration of knowledge is > > > continually augmented by new experience, discovery and experiment not > > > by the secretion of allowable ability to learn. <<Slip > > > And, you'd be able to prove that? No more so than I can. So, at best > > and at worst, it's a stalemate. But your 'storehouse' of knowledge' > > is somehow separate from God's knowledge, whereas mine allows for no > > separation, rather, an appearance of one.<<Pat > > The proof of what I'm saying is clearly visible in our history but > there has never been any proof nor is there any now of a deity other > than in the imagination of the human mind. We have a recorded history > of human advancement, achievement and civilization. Let me guess, > your going to say "that is because HE allowed us to have it". Uh Huh! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
