Glad you could get a chuckle out of it. DB Pat, I know you don't have internet at home and I guess you are considering that God is 'limiting' your ability right now for some reason. But we have come into a new week and so while you are at work and you get the chance and if God 'affords' you the time, please reply. Thanks Matey!
On Mar 12, 4:26 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > "I'll call it Chimpsky."-Slip > > Is that your take on Darwinism? LMAO! > > On Mar 12, 11:20 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ah, but I can feel the air and technically it can be seen because it > > is full of micro particles, some of which we refer to as pollution; > > you are familiar with the London Fog I'm sure. > > > Playing God are we? Only the drips that you allow? lol Well then I > > can only surmise from what you proffer and of course only use the > > limited knowledge that is afforded me by the Him. > > > Well I thought you believed in the Father Son Holy Ghost bit so that > > would make big daddy the third party, being that two of them are one. > > > Test and then judge. Judge for what and for what reason? He doesn't > > find it fun you say, and of course I guess you speak on behalf of the > > judge. What you don't see is that you are constantly trying to find > > reason to support something that is simply a belief, one that remains > > enigmatic, beyond reproach and without any course of proof or > > disproof. > > > I see everyone living in the same world with some, such as yourself, > > attributing experiences, good or bad, to a deity, a creator who by > > design places lives in atrocious living circumstance as a means of > > testing and judging. Tell that to someone being cruelly tortured for > > no purpose. One can find justification in anything by simply adopting > > this externalization of human experience. I might feel entirely > > different if it all came out of some new discovery that actually > > established the existence of such a being. However, being that it is > > based on ancient superstitions and myths of desert dwelling people > > with limited knowledge and probably one of the few myths out of the > > many that stayed the course of history, yet to be formally dispelled, > > I would have to remain skeptical of it and keep it in the box of > > fanciful figments of man's conjured conclusions to life's > > wonderment. I might add that the monotheist religious persuasions > > all originated in the same region and have striking similarities. > > Natives in the jungle are no less fervent believers of totem gods than > > you are of yours and the "Thousands" of others out there including > > spiritualists and cultists. What you choose to believe is no more > > valid than pet rocks. Truth is I could spend a few hours putting > > together my own religion and probably get followers willing to do > > anything to appease my god of all gods. I'll call it Chimpsky. lol > > > On Mar 12, 3:41 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 12 Mar, 02:26, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Alternatively, you've got the cart before the horse. We humans > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > knowledge because a subset of God's all-encompassing knowledge is > > > > > > > afforded us by Him. <<Pat > > > > > > > Supposition entirely and from where you proceed in order to > > > > > > construct > > > > > > the rest of the design. Knowledge 'afforded' us would in that > > > > > > account > > > > > > be more uniform, unilateral without discrepancy or the conflict of > > > > > > false knowledge and true knowledge as in the case of Gallileo and > > > > > > reveal itself to be more so, instinctive knowledge. <<Slip > > > > > > Not if you aren't afforded that. And galileo was afforded what he was > > > > > afforded. <<Pat > > > > > Again your basing your response totally on your own supposition that > > > > the only way we can gain knowledge is by the doling out of allowed > > > > levels of understanding and ability to learn by some imaginary deity. > > > > <<Slip > > > > > > >We have in record > > > > > > perceived and calculated knowledge by experience, subsequently > > > > > > failing > > > > > > at times to perceive actual truths and bounding forward on faulty > > > > > > conjecture until, through alternate experience, truth > > > > > > emerged.<<Slip > > > > > > Therefore demonstrating our limited knowledge.<< Pat > > > > > You are saying absolutely nothing here. It demonstrates how we have > > > > struggled along on our own since our primordial beginnings, how we > > > > accumulated knowledge from experience and discovery. There is no > > > > indication that we were allowed to have some knowledge or the > > > > limitation of knowledge. <<Slip > > > > You've assumed, without proof, that we are alone and that God is not > > > with us. Just because you cannot see God with your eyes, doesn't mean > > > He's not present. You don't see the air around you. > > > > > > >We > > > > > > can't simply dismiss or disregard thousands of years of floundering > > > > > > on > > > > > > myths and notions in an attempt to establish the Harrington Theorem > > > > > > of > > > > > > deity knowledge which postulates an imparting of human knowledge by > > > > > > a > > > > > > third party source presented as the gate keeper of all knowledge. > > > > > > Slip > > > > > > Which is not my postulate. Rather, I postulate that the One created > > > > > us as third party items where He is the one reality that holds the lot > > > > > and that lot exceed the addition of our allotments. <<Pat > > > > > It is so your postulate, it is exactly what you keep reiterating. > > > > Allotments? Its the same as before with a new word. Now your saying > > > > we were created as imbeciles who would receive little tokens of > > > > knowledge every once in a while? Like God's assistant runs over and > > > > says: "God, the humans are very cold and freezing, what should we > > > > do?" and God answers "Give them the knowledge of how to start fire, > > > > but nothing more, I want them to suffer for my pleasure, I enjoy > > > > seeing those little creatures I created suffer". Slip > > > > LOL!! It's always nice to be told what I think by someone who has > > > never met me. You don't know the whole of my theory, only the drips > > > that I give you. Do you think God treats you differently than I do? > > > What I objected to as "not a part of my theory" was your reference to > > > a 'third party'. THAT is not a part of my theory. There is only > > > One. How can there be a third party if there is no second? > > > > > > > Further allowing this persuasion to continue as even remotely valid > > > > > > I > > > > > > would assume that the gate keeper is in utter bliss and ecstasy by > > > > > > withholding knowledge that would alleviate a great deal of death and > > > > > > suffering at the hands of horrid diseases. Slip > > > > > > You would find no cures if there were no diseases. Think a little > > > > > about that. <<Pat > > > > > Think about that? What is there to think about, that is absurd. If > > > > there were no diseases we would have to worry about finding cures. > > > > You make it sound like it all a big game and it is just loads of fun > > > > finding cures for people living agonizing lives on account of disease. > > > > <<Slip > > > > It IS a game. Put more appropriately, it's a test and how we react to > > > those testing elements is the basis for how we will be judged. Whilst > > > some find it fun, others don't. God doesn't find it fun, per se, as > > > he takes no pleasure, as any pleasure that is had (by any) is already > > > His, as is any pain (had by any). If you refuse to think about > > > things, then you will find NO answers. And you stand as a limit to > > > yourself. Why do that? > > > > > > >Perhaps you can initiate a > > > > > > petition to spare all our lives by "affording" us the knowledge of > > > > > > "Cures". <<Slip > > > > > > If my petitions are accepted, it would only be by His permission. Do > > > > > you accept that you are diseased? If so, I'll ask for the cure. ;-) > > > > > And why, for one, do you think that I would want to cure all > > > > > diseases? That would, by your logic, rob us of the pleasure of > > > > > finding the cures ourselves (by my logic, having that knowledge when > > > > > it is dispensed). Personally, I'd rather solve world hunger than cure > > > > > all known diseases. Or bring peace ot the Middle East. <<Pat > > > > > World hunger, world peace, disease all fall into the same lot Pat, > > > > there is no selective need here. Unfortunately you are sold on this > > > > idea of a deity that is dangling food above the starving for some > > > > warped reason. I don't see it that way and there is no reasoning > > > > which would support such a notion. You can go on with that fantasy if > > > > you like, I'll pass. <<Slip > > > > > > >Snap! Back to reality and the understanding that we have > > > > > > developed our own storehouse of knowledge through experience, > > > > > > discovery and experiment. Our conglomeration of knowledge is > > > > > > continually augmented by new experience, discovery and experiment > > > > > > not > > > > > > by the secretion of allowable ability to learn. <<Slip > > > > > > And, you'd be able to prove that? No more so than I can. So, at best > > > > > and at worst, it's a stalemate. But your 'storehouse' of knowledge' > > > > > is somehow separate from God's knowledge, whereas mine allows for no > > > > > separation, rather, an appearance of one.<<Pat > > > > > The proof of what I'm saying is clearly visible in our history but > > > > there has never been any proof nor is there any now of a deity other > > > > than in the imagination of the human mind. We have a recorded history > > > > of human advancement, achievement and civilization. Let me guess, > > > > your going to say "that is because HE allowed us to have it". Uh > > > > Huh!- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
