As a matter of fact, those habits have worked very well though I often
overlook their influence.

Well, they might have mentioned this intrusive factor- don't you
agree?

Greed is an ancient fact but modern advertising projects an abnormal,
unrealistic "norm". I don't take ads seriously and many are so absurd
they are are amusing. And afterall, "there's a sucker born every
minute"- P.T. Barnum



On Mar 11, 9:55 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> “…Wastefulness is a learned behavior. I must thank the nuns/convent
> life for providing me with some good habits as a child…” – rigs
>
> So…do they still fit? ;-)
>
> “…The computer was supposed to eliminate excess paper and junk- but I
> think it has made matters worse…” – rigs
>
> Actually, it was known from the start that computers merely would
> produce more data thus the apparent need for more printouts. Marketing
> as usual lacks integrity.
>
> “…The media and its advertisers are chiefly responsible for instilling
> greediness…” – rigs
>
> I’m not so sure about this. My guess is that said attachment to stuff
> is but one of many human traits and needs little to no help in
> manifesting. In fact, IF there was no response to marketing, it might
> stop. (marketing) Thus, the responsibility lies within each of us.
>
> On Mar 11, 5:02 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > This whole bit about excess started when nomads settled down and
> > needed extra stores of grains, etc. to tide them through seasons,
> > seiges, trading. Excessive display was limited to certain classes.
> > Basically, providing for future needs was a step forward in thinking
> > but like most human thought patterns, it ran amok.
>
> > Wastefulness is a learned behavior. I must thank the nuns/convent life
> > for providing me with some good habits as a child.
>
> > The computer was supposed to eliminate excess paper and junk- but I
> > think it has made matters worse.
>
> > The media and its advertisers are chiefly responsible for instilling
> > greediness but where are the parents who are the main teachers of
> > children? I've gone on a couple of binges in my lifetime so I am not
> > perfect but it's like an addiction or a form of "one-upsmanship".
> > Another source was the papacy with its materialism and protestant
> > sects that linked prosperity with holiness/god's blessing.
>
> > On Mar 11, 2:47 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I know some people who have gone agrarian in a commune, and lived in a
> > > Moldovan village for a while.  Even such places (or the Amish etc.)
> > > really only get by courtesy of the military-industrial complex
> > > 'keeping them safe'.  Here we now have 4 waste bins (garden, plastic
> > > bottles-tins, paper-cardboard and general trash) - rather than
> > > recycling this all seems more like a new industry.  We went to
> > > fortnightly collections, only for a return to weekly collections to
> > > become a political campaign.  We could get by on monthly collections,
> > > perhaps doubled for three months in summer.  This would be considered
> > > 'rocket science' in our corridors of power, with several years debate
> > > necessary on which three months constitute summer.  The 'answer' to
> > > Royal Mail's finances is to allow them to deliver more junk mail
> > > (sadly not pre-packaged for the paper bin).
> > > Perhaps we should all get junk-jokes to lighten us up?
>
> > > On 11 Mar, 04:46, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Dinesh <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > Not a very bright idea, but how about going to a store paying for a
> > > > > thing but not taking it ?
> > > > > That way the same thing can be sold again and again till the packing
> > > > > gets worn out. Economy will thrive as normal and resources will be
> > > > > consumed lesser.
> > > > > Or hire a charter plane for a tour of Egypt and Asia (by a group, if
> > > > > required) pay all the amounts, including the stays at various places,
> > > > > but never go anywhere.
>
> > > > Reminds me of the time I generously offered to relieve everyone of the
> > > > evil influences and temptations of their cash.  Sadly enough, no one
> > > > took me up on my offer.  It still stands, btw.  Cash or money order
> > > > accepted.  Paypal too.
>
> > > > dj
>
> > > > > On Mar 10, 6:57 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >> We the consumers bear the greatest responsibility because we buy, we
> > > > >> want and must have stuff we don't need.  I put my recycle bin out
> > > > >> every week but my trash bin every six weeks.  We created an
> > > > >> environment in which plastics are used for no other purpose except as
> > > > >> an anti-theft device, ie; packaging.   Much of our waste comes from
> > > > >> our want of decoration and design, the paints and plastics; we even
> > > > >> have plastic plants.  How stupid have we become and how far are we
> > > > >> going to go in letting ourselves be duped by artificial nature?  Now
> > > > >> with China entering a new phase of modernization with billions of
> > > > >> people contributing to the mess we might find ourselves in the danger
> > > > >> zone a lot sooner than we think.
>
> > > > >> The Cap & Trade idea is definitely another distraction ploy by the
> > > > >> corporate world to side step what will ultimately result in fiscal
> > > > >> losses.  Only we as individuals can change it.
>
> > > > >> On Mar 10, 2:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > While a commercial...the 20 min. video on the story of stuff is 
> > > > >> > both
> > > > >> > entertaining and informative as well as direct.
>
> > > > >> >http://www.storyofstuff.com/
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