Not to be too serious Orn and Rigsby, I tend to want the turn off to be at the point of my shot-gun! I wonder how much of this 'noise' (much visual) has got to me so badly, as I've spent my life ignoring it, other than to be able to find some critique. I rather like Orn's use of the term unconscious above, yet have just been through hell because I couldn't just turn my back, up sticks and leave the situation our former neighbours caused. The Soviets once talked rather like Orn above, and I used to meet people abroad who believed their own people would be resistant to our trash (much of it is British, as we are a major exporter of tv format shows and advertising). There's a French film doing the rounds at the moment in which the joke is 'sophisticated rock music even the British listened to'. I go a long way with what you are both saying, perhaps especially Orn's notion that all the dross, even from childhood was 'aimed' at getting you to buy in. A typical Soviet target was the detective novel and cop show. JB Priestly coined the acronym ADMASS and he's been dead a long time. My adult classes repeatedly assured me they were not influenced by advertising, only to discover how badly wrong they were after a few simple tricks. The kids have no clue. That we are over-producing and over-consuming is so obvious because we can't establish much of an alternative and they need it so obviously embedded most don't notice it as anything unusual or evil.
On 12 Mar, 21:12, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I did see your wink. (Those old habits are now scorned as burkahs.) > > We must have heard different messages- I heard we would have less > paper, less screw-ups with medical records and banks, etc. I doubt > that most people understood the indelible trail they would leave > behind their every move and transaction. > > I do edit with my remote control or I develop such a dislike for the > product and presentation I make a mental note to avoid it altogether. > My early years were devoid of ads for the most part outside of Burma > Shave jingles on the highway and pop tunes on the radio or from > records. (I do remember the lyrics and melodies somewhat like the > jingles you refer to.) At any rate- it is mass communication that > makes the repetiton of ads or the creation of wants and desires so > effective- whether in print, movies, radio , tv and current gizmos and > those outside this ring can have altogether different imprints on > their unconscious. > > On Mar 12, 7:53 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “As a matter of fact, those habits have worked very well though I > > often overlook their influence. “ – rigs > > > Perhaps you missed my *wink* at the end and my specific use if the > > term ‘fit’…maybe it was a poorly formed joke. I was meaning the use of > > the article of clothing and not the behavior. > > > “Well, they might have mentioned this intrusive factor- don't you > > agree? “ – rigs > > > That is what I said they did…they did mention the fact that there > > would be more data and more paper…for those who read it. Of course, > > the term ‘they’ is unclear because it is all inclusive. > > > “Greed is an ancient fact but modern advertising projects an abnormal, > > unrealistic "norm". I don't take ads seriously and many are so absurd > > they are are amusing. And afterall, "there's a sucker born every > > minute"- P.T. Barnum “ – rigs > > > While I can guess what your attitude is by your use of ‘abnormal, > > unrealistic “norm”’, the words just do not reflect any larger truth at > > all as far as I can tell. As to whether people “take ads seriously” or > > not and whether one finds them “absurd” and “amusing” or not makes > > little difference. It is proven that the very nature of our perceptive > > senses will collect and impose attitudes upon our consciousness > > whether we think it has happened or not. This has been known for a > > long time…from long before current advertising methodologies were used > > and long before current day measurements and psychological studies > > existed. The truth is that advertising ‘works’. Interjecting a > > quotation by a cynical promoter, Barnum, and implying that doing so > > inoculates one from the effects of advertising is naïve at best. A > > thought experiment may help to elucidate: Remember all of the songs > > from your youth? The melodies and words remain. They were not mere > > entertainment…they were ‘commercials’ in that they helped to induce > > one to purchase the product. Yes, they are more, but the point is that > > we all can remember countless advertising jingles from decades ago too… > > they are an integral part of our psyche. Since this is the case, > > exactly how does one exclude these ‘unconscious’ retentions when one > > is interfacing with the world? (rhetorical question) I suggest it is > > not possible and that we remain ‘consumers’ to that which we have been > > exposed. Ad agencies do not charge millions of dollars to influence > > merely a few rubes (suckers)…they couldn’t if that were the case. > > Everyone within sight and earshot is influenced. Sad but true. The > > only way *not* to be so influenced is to divorce ones self from the > > input…turn off and leave off the TV, radio…don’t read commercial > > papers and periodicals etc. The term ‘unconscious’ is well named and > > exists for a reason. > > > On Mar 12, 4:48 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > As a matter of fact, those habits have worked very well though I often > > > overlook their influence. > > > > Well, they might have mentioned this intrusive factor- don't you > > > agree? > > > > Greed is an ancient fact but modern advertising projects an abnormal, > > > unrealistic "norm". I don't take ads seriously and many are so absurd > > > they are are amusing. And afterall, "there's a sucker born every > > > minute"- P.T. Barnum > > > > On Mar 11, 9:55 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “…Wastefulness is a learned behavior. I must thank the nuns/convent > > > > life for providing me with some good habits as a child…” – rigs > > > > > So…do they still fit? ;-) > > > > > “…The computer was supposed to eliminate excess paper and junk- but I > > > > think it has made matters worse…” – rigs > > > > > Actually, it was known from the start that computers merely would > > > > produce more data thus the apparent need for more printouts. Marketing > > > > as usual lacks integrity. > > > > > “…The media and its advertisers are chiefly responsible for instilling > > > > greediness…” – rigs > > > > > I’m not so sure about this. My guess is that said attachment to stuff > > > > is but one of many human traits and needs little to no help in > > > > manifesting. In fact, IF there was no response to marketing, it might > > > > stop. (marketing) Thus, the responsibility lies within each of us. > > > > > On Mar 11, 5:02 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > This whole bit about excess started when nomads settled down and > > > > > needed extra stores of grains, etc. to tide them through seasons, > > > > > seiges, trading. Excessive display was limited to certain classes. > > > > > Basically, providing for future needs was a step forward in thinking > > > > > but like most human thought patterns, it ran amok. > > > > > > Wastefulness is a learned behavior. I must thank the nuns/convent life > > > > > for providing me with some good habits as a child. > > > > > > The computer was supposed to eliminate excess paper and junk- but I > > > > > think it has made matters worse. > > > > > > The media and its advertisers are chiefly responsible for instilling > > > > > greediness but where are the parents who are the main teachers of > > > > > children? I've gone on a couple of binges in my lifetime so I am not > > > > > perfect but it's like an addiction or a form of "one-upsmanship". > > > > > Another source was the papacy with its materialism and protestant > > > > > sects that linked prosperity with holiness/god's blessing. > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2:47 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I know some people who have gone agrarian in a commune, and lived > > > > > > in a > > > > > > Moldovan village for a while. Even such places (or the Amish etc.) > > > > > > really only get by courtesy of the military-industrial complex > > > > > > 'keeping them safe'. Here we now have 4 waste bins (garden, plastic > > > > > > bottles-tins, paper-cardboard and general trash) - rather than > > > > > > recycling this all seems more like a new industry. We went to > > > > > > fortnightly collections, only for a return to weekly collections to > > > > > > become a political campaign. We could get by on monthly > > > > > > collections, > > > > > > perhaps doubled for three months in summer. This would be > > > > > > considered > > > > > > 'rocket science' in our corridors of power, with several years > > > > > > debate > > > > > > necessary on which three months constitute summer. The 'answer' to > > > > > > Royal Mail's finances is to allow them to deliver more junk mail > > > > > > (sadly not pre-packaged for the paper bin). > > > > > > Perhaps we should all get junk-jokes to lighten us up? > > > > > > > On 11 Mar, 04:46, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Dinesh <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Not a very bright idea, but how about going to a store paying > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > thing but not taking it ? > > > > > > > > That way the same thing can be sold again and again till the > > > > > > > > packing > > > > > > > > gets worn out. Economy will thrive as normal and resources will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > consumed lesser. > > > > > > > > Or hire a charter plane for a tour of Egypt and Asia (by a > > > > > > > > group, if > > > > > > > > required) pay all the amounts, including the stays at various > > > > > > > > places, > > > > > > > > but never go anywhere. > > > > > > > > Reminds me of the time I generously offered to relieve everyone > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > evil influences and temptations of their cash. Sadly enough, no > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > took me up on my offer. It still stands, btw. Cash or money > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > accepted. Paypal too. > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > > On Mar 10, 6:57 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> We the consumers bear the greatest responsibility because we > > > > > > > >> buy, we > > > > > > > >> want and must have stuff we don't need. I put my recycle bin > > > > > > > >> out > > > > > > > >> every week but my trash bin every six weeks. We created an > > > > > > > >> environment in which plastics are used for no other purpose > > > > > > > >> except as > > > > > > > >> an anti-theft device, ie; packaging. Much of our waste comes > > > > > > > >> from > > > > > > > >> our want of decoration and design, the paints and plastics; we > > > > > > > >> even > > > > > > > >> have plastic plants. How stupid have we become and how far > > > > > > > >> are we > > > > > > > >> going to go in letting ourselves be duped by artificial > > > > > > > >> nature? Now > > > > > > > >> with China entering a new phase of modernization with billions > > > > > > > >> of > > > > > > > >> people contributing to the mess we might find ourselves in the > > > > > > > >> danger > > > > > > > >> zone a lot sooner than we think. > > > > > > > > >> The Cap & Trade idea is definitely another distraction ploy by > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> corporate world to side step what will ultimately result in > > > > > > > >> fiscal > > > > > > > >> losses. Only we as individuals can change it. > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 10, 2:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > While a commercial...the 20 min. video on the story of stuff > > > > > > > >> > is both > > > > > > > >> > entertaining and informative as well as direct. > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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