“As a matter of fact, those habits have worked very well though I often overlook their influence. “ – rigs
Perhaps you missed my *wink* at the end and my specific use if the term ‘fit’…maybe it was a poorly formed joke. I was meaning the use of the article of clothing and not the behavior. “Well, they might have mentioned this intrusive factor- don't you agree? “ – rigs That is what I said they did…they did mention the fact that there would be more data and more paper…for those who read it. Of course, the term ‘they’ is unclear because it is all inclusive. “Greed is an ancient fact but modern advertising projects an abnormal, unrealistic "norm". I don't take ads seriously and many are so absurd they are are amusing. And afterall, "there's a sucker born every minute"- P.T. Barnum “ – rigs While I can guess what your attitude is by your use of ‘abnormal, unrealistic “norm”’, the words just do not reflect any larger truth at all as far as I can tell. As to whether people “take ads seriously” or not and whether one finds them “absurd” and “amusing” or not makes little difference. It is proven that the very nature of our perceptive senses will collect and impose attitudes upon our consciousness whether we think it has happened or not. This has been known for a long time…from long before current advertising methodologies were used and long before current day measurements and psychological studies existed. The truth is that advertising ‘works’. Interjecting a quotation by a cynical promoter, Barnum, and implying that doing so inoculates one from the effects of advertising is naïve at best. A thought experiment may help to elucidate: Remember all of the songs from your youth? The melodies and words remain. They were not mere entertainment…they were ‘commercials’ in that they helped to induce one to purchase the product. Yes, they are more, but the point is that we all can remember countless advertising jingles from decades ago too… they are an integral part of our psyche. Since this is the case, exactly how does one exclude these ‘unconscious’ retentions when one is interfacing with the world? (rhetorical question) I suggest it is not possible and that we remain ‘consumers’ to that which we have been exposed. Ad agencies do not charge millions of dollars to influence merely a few rubes (suckers)…they couldn’t if that were the case. Everyone within sight and earshot is influenced. Sad but true. The only way *not* to be so influenced is to divorce ones self from the input…turn off and leave off the TV, radio…don’t read commercial papers and periodicals etc. The term ‘unconscious’ is well named and exists for a reason. On Mar 12, 4:48 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > As a matter of fact, those habits have worked very well though I often > overlook their influence. > > Well, they might have mentioned this intrusive factor- don't you > agree? > > Greed is an ancient fact but modern advertising projects an abnormal, > unrealistic "norm". I don't take ads seriously and many are so absurd > they are are amusing. And afterall, "there's a sucker born every > minute"- P.T. Barnum > > On Mar 11, 9:55 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “…Wastefulness is a learned behavior. I must thank the nuns/convent > > life for providing me with some good habits as a child…” – rigs > > > So…do they still fit? ;-) > > > “…The computer was supposed to eliminate excess paper and junk- but I > > think it has made matters worse…” – rigs > > > Actually, it was known from the start that computers merely would > > produce more data thus the apparent need for more printouts. Marketing > > as usual lacks integrity. > > > “…The media and its advertisers are chiefly responsible for instilling > > greediness…” – rigs > > > I’m not so sure about this. My guess is that said attachment to stuff > > is but one of many human traits and needs little to no help in > > manifesting. In fact, IF there was no response to marketing, it might > > stop. (marketing) Thus, the responsibility lies within each of us. > > > On Mar 11, 5:02 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This whole bit about excess started when nomads settled down and > > > needed extra stores of grains, etc. to tide them through seasons, > > > seiges, trading. Excessive display was limited to certain classes. > > > Basically, providing for future needs was a step forward in thinking > > > but like most human thought patterns, it ran amok. > > > > Wastefulness is a learned behavior. I must thank the nuns/convent life > > > for providing me with some good habits as a child. > > > > The computer was supposed to eliminate excess paper and junk- but I > > > think it has made matters worse. > > > > The media and its advertisers are chiefly responsible for instilling > > > greediness but where are the parents who are the main teachers of > > > children? I've gone on a couple of binges in my lifetime so I am not > > > perfect but it's like an addiction or a form of "one-upsmanship". > > > Another source was the papacy with its materialism and protestant > > > sects that linked prosperity with holiness/god's blessing. > > > > On Mar 11, 2:47 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I know some people who have gone agrarian in a commune, and lived in a > > > > Moldovan village for a while. Even such places (or the Amish etc.) > > > > really only get by courtesy of the military-industrial complex > > > > 'keeping them safe'. Here we now have 4 waste bins (garden, plastic > > > > bottles-tins, paper-cardboard and general trash) - rather than > > > > recycling this all seems more like a new industry. We went to > > > > fortnightly collections, only for a return to weekly collections to > > > > become a political campaign. We could get by on monthly collections, > > > > perhaps doubled for three months in summer. This would be considered > > > > 'rocket science' in our corridors of power, with several years debate > > > > necessary on which three months constitute summer. The 'answer' to > > > > Royal Mail's finances is to allow them to deliver more junk mail > > > > (sadly not pre-packaged for the paper bin). > > > > Perhaps we should all get junk-jokes to lighten us up? > > > > > On 11 Mar, 04:46, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Dinesh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Not a very bright idea, but how about going to a store paying for a > > > > > > thing but not taking it ? > > > > > > That way the same thing can be sold again and again till the packing > > > > > > gets worn out. Economy will thrive as normal and resources will be > > > > > > consumed lesser. > > > > > > Or hire a charter plane for a tour of Egypt and Asia (by a group, if > > > > > > required) pay all the amounts, including the stays at various > > > > > > places, > > > > > > but never go anywhere. > > > > > > Reminds me of the time I generously offered to relieve everyone of the > > > > > evil influences and temptations of their cash. Sadly enough, no one > > > > > took me up on my offer. It still stands, btw. Cash or money order > > > > > accepted. Paypal too. > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > On Mar 10, 6:57 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> We the consumers bear the greatest responsibility because we buy, > > > > > >> we > > > > > >> want and must have stuff we don't need. I put my recycle bin out > > > > > >> every week but my trash bin every six weeks. We created an > > > > > >> environment in which plastics are used for no other purpose except > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> an anti-theft device, ie; packaging. Much of our waste comes from > > > > > >> our want of decoration and design, the paints and plastics; we even > > > > > >> have plastic plants. How stupid have we become and how far are we > > > > > >> going to go in letting ourselves be duped by artificial nature? > > > > > >> Now > > > > > >> with China entering a new phase of modernization with billions of > > > > > >> people contributing to the mess we might find ourselves in the > > > > > >> danger > > > > > >> zone a lot sooner than we think. > > > > > > >> The Cap & Trade idea is definitely another distraction ploy by the > > > > > >> corporate world to side step what will ultimately result in fiscal > > > > > >> losses. Only we as individuals can change it. > > > > > > >> On Mar 10, 2:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > While a commercial...the 20 min. video on the story of stuff is > > > > > >> > both > > > > > >> > entertaining and informative as well as direct. > > > > > > >> >http://www.storyofstuff.com/ > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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