Just so long as the UK covers my traveling expenses I'm all for it. Ya'll do have titty bars over there, yes? I think you call them 'burlesque' clubs or some such fluffery over there. I say; titties are titties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ylRplLnU84 dj On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:19 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Victims of institutional abuse get a very raw deal, but so do victims > of false complaints. Evidence is very thin on the ground in many > cases, but in some can be made very clear indeed. Criminal > investigations are much more limited than most think and legal systems > are fundamentally skewed well away from truth. More mad people > (including investigators and forensic 'experts') are involved than we > admit to. The scale and expense of any real enquiry is daunting. The > UK has spent £30 million on the Bloody Sunday cover-up and only made > lawyers richer. Similar millions will be wasted over Iraq. We could > do this enquiry, but we could also do enquiries into why China is in > Tibet, Nato in Afghanistan and why rape is so prevalent in South > Africa and the World Cup there etc. etc. > In the Baby P case in the UK, we found the bureaucrats did cover-up > disgracefully, but it's now emerging that the one we sacked may have > been treated very badly treated in a witch-hunt (not helped by > pictures that make her look like Cruella de Ville) drummed up by the > government minister. There is a methodology we could follow and > people who could do the job, but this would require an openness we > always shy away from. I think we should go ahead and do the business > in one specific area as a carte blanche enquiry with no lawyers > allowed to get in the way and with full, public disclosure. The > threaten to do this all over the case unless the rest come clean after > Don and I do the necessary slaying. Pigs might fly of course, but > there is a more academic way, working with victims and informers in > confidence and publishing on an anonymous basis. > > On 29 Mar, 14:13, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm not saying that being celibate or trying to be celibate causes or > even > > helps bring on the abuse. I'm saying the fact it is a requirement > attracts > > individuals that know they have deviant tendencies. These people in many > > cases have no intention of remaining celibate. The added secrecy of the > > Papacy, as Orn suggests, is also an attraction. Somehow, a balance with > > transparency and protecting the innocent needs to be found. Remember > much > > damage comes to the accuser as well as the accused. There will always be > > supporters for the accused that never believe their priest or family > member > > or friend could do such a thing and will vilify the whistle blower. It > can > > be very damaging to be labeled 'the victim.' Some people live their > entire > > lives under this cloak of shame. It's a terrible, horrible crime(rape) > but > > against children I consider it worse then murder in many cases. I could > see > > a man getting out of prison for killing his cheating wife after 10 or 15 > > years and not being a threat to society. Child predators should never > again > > see the light of day and, imo, should be relieved of their consciousness. > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Removing celibacy requirements is not going to do anything. The acts > > > with which these individuals are charged are some that take place > > > within non-clergy, laity, and general population circles. Married > > > people are often times accused of sexual impropriety with children and > > > many take liberties with their own. I think what lies at the core of > > > this pardon policy is the understanding within the church, not only > > > the RC, that all is forgiven upon "repentance". Even in the judicial > > > system there are policies that allow for pardon, parole and probation > > > based on the repentant perpetrator, fact is that one can commit murder > > > and be released later on to live a normal life while the victim lay > > > cold in the grave. > > > > > On Mar 28, 10:36 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > If the Blackstone ratio referred to the death penalty I wouldn't have > > > used > > > > it. I didn't even say I supported it, I just quoted it to add > balance > > > and > > > > to support my main man Fran. Heck, I think our court system is far > too > > > > lenient. Don't put words in my mouth, I don't like it. > > > > > > heh. > > > > > > dj > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:22 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > “…"It is better to allow 10 guilty men go free then to > > > > > convict 1 innocent man." …” – dj > > > > > > > I’m glad that you do not support the death penalty at least! > > > > > > > As an aside, just a hypothetical here, but *if* I were one of the > > > > > accused…and in fact *rightly* accused, I feel quite sure that at > the > > > > > next ‘election’ (you know, where people check the smoke color?)…I’d > > > > > vote for a fellow molester…sort of for safety’s sake…..just sayin’ > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 7:48 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Is that the follically-challenged loud mouth from the 80's? I > didn't > > > > > even > > > > > > know she was still around. I have more respect for people like > Bono. > > > He > > > > > > picks a crusade and stays on target without name calling or > agitprop. > > > He > > > > > > appeals to the masses to get the aid to the people that need it > while > > > > > giving > > > > > > props when due even to those he disagrees with politically. Plus > > > he's in > > > > > a > > > > > > good band which is more then I can say for the hairless wonder. > > > > > > > > But to get on topic. I have long thought that the practice of > > > requiring > > > > > > celibacy ATTRACTS sexual deviants. Simply by removing this > > > ridiculous > > > > > > requirement, I think, would vastly improve the situation. > However, > > > the > > > > > > topic seems to be more about the cover up then the actual abuse > so... > > > My > > > > > > supposition is that the Pope was trying to prevent innocent > priests > > > from > > > > > > getting falsely accused and to protect those that had already > been > > > > > falsely > > > > > > accused from being ruined. Like most good people, he has > difficulty > > > > > > believing this could happen in his own house to the degree it has > > > been > > > > > > happening. Rather then Chris' biased view that the abuse is > > > rampantly > > > > > > under-reported I believe the dude in the funny hat thought the > > > opposite. > > > > > > > > Also, for those of you calling for the gallows, let me remind you > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > old judicial saw, "It is better to allow 10 guilty men go free > then > > > to > > > > > > convict 1 innocent man." Or does this apply when we are speaking > of > > > our > > > > > > children? The problem is with child rape it doesn't matter if > you're > > > > > guilty > > > > > > or not, if you are accused and it becomes public...well basically > > > your > > > > > life > > > > > > is over. Changed forever. The subject is too painful and tragic > and > > > > > these > > > > > > kinds of things are impossible to forgive. I believe this > weighed on > > > the > > > > > > Papist Politburo and influenced the cover up. It doesn't make it > ok > > > but, > > > > > > playing devil's advocate here, I can at least understand. > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, today I heard Shanae O’Connor say on the > > > radio > > > > > > > that there should be a criminal investigation of the Pope and > the > > > > > > > entire Vatican [most recent pedophilia scandal] that the entire > lot > > > > > > > should step down. 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