I'm not saying that being celibate or trying to be celibate causes or even helps bring on the abuse. I'm saying the fact it is a requirement attracts individuals that know they have deviant tendencies. These people in many cases have no intention of remaining celibate. The added secrecy of the Papacy, as Orn suggests, is also an attraction. Somehow, a balance with transparency and protecting the innocent needs to be found. Remember much damage comes to the accuser as well as the accused. There will always be supporters for the accused that never believe their priest or family member or friend could do such a thing and will vilify the whistle blower. It can be very damaging to be labeled 'the victim.' Some people live their entire lives under this cloak of shame. It's a terrible, horrible crime(rape) but against children I consider it worse then murder in many cases. I could see a man getting out of prison for killing his cheating wife after 10 or 15 years and not being a threat to society. Child predators should never again see the light of day and, imo, should be relieved of their consciousness.
dj On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Removing celibacy requirements is not going to do anything. The acts > with which these individuals are charged are some that take place > within non-clergy, laity, and general population circles. Married > people are often times accused of sexual impropriety with children and > many take liberties with their own. I think what lies at the core of > this pardon policy is the understanding within the church, not only > the RC, that all is forgiven upon "repentance". Even in the judicial > system there are policies that allow for pardon, parole and probation > based on the repentant perpetrator, fact is that one can commit murder > and be released later on to live a normal life while the victim lay > cold in the grave. > > On Mar 28, 10:36 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > If the Blackstone ratio referred to the death penalty I wouldn't have > used > > it. I didn't even say I supported it, I just quoted it to add balance > and > > to support my main man Fran. Heck, I think our court system is far too > > lenient. Don't put words in my mouth, I don't like it. > > > > heh. > > > > dj > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:22 AM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > “…"It is better to allow 10 guilty men go free then to > > > convict 1 innocent man." …” – dj > > > > > I’m glad that you do not support the death penalty at least! > > > > > As an aside, just a hypothetical here, but *if* I were one of the > > > accused…and in fact *rightly* accused, I feel quite sure that at the > > > next ‘election’ (you know, where people check the smoke color?)…I’d > > > vote for a fellow molester…sort of for safety’s sake…..just sayin’ > > > > > On Mar 28, 7:48 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Is that the follically-challenged loud mouth from the 80's? I didn't > > > even > > > > know she was still around. I have more respect for people like Bono. > He > > > > picks a crusade and stays on target without name calling or agitprop. > He > > > > appeals to the masses to get the aid to the people that need it while > > > giving > > > > props when due even to those he disagrees with politically. Plus > he's in > > > a > > > > good band which is more then I can say for the hairless wonder. > > > > > > But to get on topic. I have long thought that the practice of > requiring > > > > celibacy ATTRACTS sexual deviants. Simply by removing this > ridiculous > > > > requirement, I think, would vastly improve the situation. However, > the > > > > topic seems to be more about the cover up then the actual abuse so... > My > > > > supposition is that the Pope was trying to prevent innocent priests > from > > > > getting falsely accused and to protect those that had already been > > > falsely > > > > accused from being ruined. Like most good people, he has difficulty > > > > believing this could happen in his own house to the degree it has > been > > > > happening. Rather then Chris' biased view that the abuse is > rampantly > > > > under-reported I believe the dude in the funny hat thought the > opposite. > > > > > > Also, for those of you calling for the gallows, let me remind you > about > > > the > > > > old judicial saw, "It is better to allow 10 guilty men go free then > to > > > > convict 1 innocent man." Or does this apply when we are speaking of > our > > > > children? The problem is with child rape it doesn't matter if you're > > > guilty > > > > or not, if you are accused and it becomes public...well basically > your > > > life > > > > is over. Changed forever. The subject is too painful and tragic and > > > these > > > > kinds of things are impossible to forgive. I believe this weighed on > the > > > > Papist Politburo and influenced the cover up. It doesn't make it ok > but, > > > > playing devil's advocate here, I can at least understand. > > > > > > dj > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, today I heard Shanae O’Connor say on the > radio > > > > > that there should be a criminal investigation of the Pope and the > > > > > entire Vatican [most recent pedophilia scandal] that the entire lot > > > > > should step down. 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