"Not necessarily. The multiple gods could act like adjectives to a noun."-gabbydot
Very well said and this seems to be the case with angels and demons. Though they are not by any stretch, gods but from our very finite perception they appear 'as gods'. This could account for the multiple gods also. On May 4, 4:09 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Take the 4 for example. You need four points to make a square. If you > can make a square, you have access to the space dimension, you can own > land. A traditional "male" number. > > On May 4, 8:06 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I am sure there would be but I am not aware except for 3, the > > trinity ... could you enlighten ? > > > On May 4, 1:24 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > One can find numbers and nouns in western learning structures, too, > > > Vam! > > > > On 3 Mai, 21:47, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I do know why the number is important in eastern religions. There are > > > > chants that are nothing but 108 names of the same supreme ... > > > > > On May 3, 9:39 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Not necessarily. The multiple gods could act like adjectives to a > > > > > noun. > > > > > > On 3 Mai, 16:14, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The "gods " would then just be super-beings who will be born with > > > > > > this > > > > > > universe and die with it , e.i. dualistic in nature. > > > > > > > On May 3, 5:42 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > Ifpure consciousness transcends human awareness then as Kant > > > > > > > saysthe assertion of unity is only a hypothesis believed as an > > > > > > > article offaith. What if the pre Greeks are righter about the > > > > > > > nature of realitywith their notion of multiple "gods" a > > > > > > > multiplicity of realities? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: RP <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 8:05 am > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: God and I > > > > > > > > Pure Consciousness, God, Atma , or the Self is non-dual and above > > > > > > > awareness. Awareness implies dualism as it is not possible > > > > > > > otherwise. > > > > > > > The entire creation which is dualistic in nature springs from the > > > > > > > non- > > > > > > > dual and is like a hen coming out of an egg. i.e. all > > > > > > > predetermined. I > > > > > > > know that I have no company in this view , yet I have expressed > > > > > > > it as > > > > > > > basically I am truthful in nature. > > > > > > > > On May 2, 8:14 am, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > “OM , most people don't want to die…” – RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I don’t know ‘most people’ nor their wants and > > > > > > > desires, the > > > > > > > > human organism as well as psyche does have a drive for life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “… or have so many desires like psychic powers …” – RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I have no experience with ‘most people’ so do not > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > they want. As to psychic powers, it is true that I’ve heard > > > > > > > precious > > > > > > > > little from most of the people that I do know about psychic > > > > > > > powers. > > > > > > > > However, I cannot say the same about them having desires. It > > > > > > > appears > > > > > > > > that most people I know have quite a set of passions and > > > > > > > desires. . . > > > > > > > > attachments to all sorts of issues, things, attributes, > > > > > > > hungers etc. > > > > > > > > I make no value judgment about such things other than that > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > know…such thirsts do attract suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “…that they make so much of consciousness.” – RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, my closer friends do have a focus on consciousness > > > > > > > while my > > > > > > > > acquaintances do not share much about consciousness itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “… In my view there is only God, Atma Or Pure Consciousness. > > > > > > > We are > > > > > > > > all just his > > > > > > > > reflections or have emanated from him…” – RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When observing things ultimate, I’d say we are of like minds > > > > > > > here RP… > > > > > > > > at the very least, have similar points of view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “… Maybe my reasoning is awry and you and others are right…” > > > > > > > – RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are associating this response with my last post, I > > > > > > > see no > > > > > > > > contradiction. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding. The > > > > > > > ‘reasoning’ I > > > > > > > > criticized had to do with how I interpreted your words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “..It would be simply a state of coma.Go and ask for general > > > > > > > > anaesthesia for a few minutes, that would be your self- > > > > > > > > realisation. ..” – RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, perhaps here it is I who don’t quite interpret your > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > correctly. Only you will be the judge of that. Your above > > > > > > > words, to > > > > > > > > me, imply no awareness when self-realized…only “a state of > > > > > > > coma”. From > > > > > > > > what little experience I have here and what I have read from > > > > > > > those who > > > > > > > > have taken this path over the millennia, while we are living > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > associated with a specific body (not dead), even though > > > > > > > specific > > > > > > > > states of consciousness can come and go where one is not > > > > > > > attached to > > > > > > > > ‘self’ nor appearances, there must be and is a consubstantial > > > > > > > > recognition of both the absolute (no words/concepts) as well > > > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > “I”…that which thinks, has emotions etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “… But in that case also I am right, You will become one > > > > > > > with God when > > > > > > > > you get salvation and then there will be no individual I , > > > > > > > as far as > > > > > > > > you will be concerned. If I am not mistaken , you at least > > > > > > > believe in > > > > > > > > predeterminism , like me.” – RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many issues in this small set of words RP…first, I’m not so > > > > > > > sure that > > > > > > > > the issue of being ‘right’ is that important to me here. I > > > > > > > wanted to > > > > > > > > discuss and share with you. We may not agree and this is > > > > > > > fine. We in > > > > > > > > fact may be fully agreeing and don’t know it due to the use > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > subjective words and terms. There are many possibilities > > > > > > > here. As to > > > > > > > > one becoming ‘one with god’…I find that to be the case for > > > > > > > everyone … > > > > > > > > primarily demonstrated by divine omnipresence. Now, the term > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > salvation doesn’t seem to enter into the discussion for > > > > > > > me…at least > > > > > > > > not when it comes to terminology. Perhaps you can elucidate > > > > > > > here. As > > > > > > > > to an ‘individual I’, we are in agreement in one sense at > > > > > > > least. I > > > > > > > > find that the common notion of ‘I’, ego etc., in any > > > > > > > ultimate sense is > > > > > > > > not real. However, since I and apparently most other human > > > > > > > beings do > > > > > > > > notice and recognize a ‘self’, whether it is mere > > > > > > > appearances or not, > > > > > > > > to ignore ‘I’ doesn’t seem to be the proper path to take. > > > > > > > Lastly, as > > > > > > > > to predeterminism, in one sense, yes, we share a similar > > > > > > > view if not > > > > > > > > the same. That is such a large topic that I won’t delve into > > > > > > > it at > > > > > > > > this time though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 8:22 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM , most people don't want to die or have so many > > > > > > > desires like > > > > > > > > > psychic powers that they make so much of consciousness. > > > > > > > In my view > > > > > > > > > there is only God, Atma Or Pure Consciousness. We are > > > > > > > all just his > > > > > > > > > reflections or have emanated from him. Maybe my > > > > > > > reasoning is awry and > > > > > > > > > you and others are right. But in that case also I am > > > > > > > right, You will > > > > > > > > > become one with God when you get salvation and then > > > > > > > there will be no > > > > > > > > > individual I , as far as you will be concerned. If I am > > > > > > > not mistaken , > > > > > > > > > you at least believe in predeterminism , like me. > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 4:57 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “…There would be no I as that also requires > > > > > > > > > > some sort of sense. There would be no thought as > > > > > > > it would require a > > > > > > > > > > memory of words or sound. It would be simply a > > > > > > > state of coma…” – RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP, thanks for responding to what I believe was my > > > > > > > post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that assumption, the above part of your notes > > > > > > > makes some very > > > > > > > > > > large assumptions that do not appear to be the > > > > > > > case. Yes, I can > > > > > > > > > > understand how they make a kind of ‘sense’ on > > > > > > > first glance; however, > > > > > > > > > > somehow you appear to assume that all of > > > > > > > consciousness/awareness > > > > > > > > > > involves thought and/or sense perception. I and > > > > > > > others do not find > > > > > > > > > > this to be the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 8:45 am, RP <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just contemplate for a moment what comprises > > > > > > > consciousness. You are > > > > > > > > > > > conscious of sight, sound, scent, taste , > > > > > > > your body through sense of > > > > > > > > > > > feeling. In your mind you are aware of these > > > > > > > very things through your > > > > > > > > > > > memory of them. If your memory and the > > > > > > > centres of these senses cease > > > > > > > > > > > to work for some time what would be there in > > > > > > > your awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness then would be aware of itself. > > > > > > > There would be no shape > > > > > > > > > > > or a feeling of some object. There would be > > > > > > > no I as that also requires > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of sense. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
