The universe started developing with the big bang and will disintegrate at some time in the future. Duality is always finite. God alone is infinite as he is non-dual.
On May 4, 7:39 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > "The "gods " would then just be super-beings who will be born with > this > universe and die with it , e.i. dualistic in nature"-RP > > This would assume that the universe is finite, no? I fail to see the > logic here. > > On May 3, 10:14 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The "gods " would then just be super-beings who will be born with this > > universe and die with it , e.i. dualistic in nature. > > > On May 3, 5:42 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Ifpure consciousness transcends human awareness then as Kant saysthe > > > assertion of unity is only a hypothesis believed as an article offaith. > > > What if the pre Greeks are righter about the nature of realitywith their > > > notion of multiple "gods" a multiplicity of realities? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: RP <[email protected]> > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 8:05 am > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: God and I > > > > Pure Consciousness, God, Atma , or the Self is non-dual and above > > > awareness. Awareness implies dualism as it is not possible otherwise. > > > The entire creation which is dualistic in nature springs from the non- > > > dual and is like a hen coming out of an egg. i.e. all predetermined. I > > > know that I have no company in this view , yet I have expressed it as > > > basically I am truthful in nature. > > > > On May 2, 8:14 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > “OM , most people don't want to die…” – RP > > > > > > > > While I don’t know ‘most people’ nor their wants and desires, the > > > > human organism as well as psyche does have a drive for life. > > > > > > > > “… or have so many desires like psychic powers …” – RP > > > > > > > > Again, I have no experience with ‘most people’ so do not know what > > > > they want. As to psychic powers, it is true that I’ve heard precious > > > > little from most of the people that I do know about psychic powers. > > > > However, I cannot say the same about them having desires. It appears > > > > that most people I know have quite a set of passions and desires. . . > > > > attachments to all sorts of issues, things, attributes, hungers etc. > > > > I make no value judgment about such things other than that which I > > > > know…such thirsts do attract suffering. > > > > > > > > “…that they make so much of consciousness.” – RP > > > > > > > > And, my closer friends do have a focus on consciousness while my > > > > acquaintances do not share much about consciousness itself. > > > > > > > > “… In my view there is only God, Atma Or Pure Consciousness. We are > > > > all just his > > > > reflections or have emanated from him…” – RP > > > > > > > > When observing things ultimate, I’d say we are of like minds here RP… > > > > at the very least, have similar points of view. > > > > > > > > “… Maybe my reasoning is awry and you and others are right…” – RP > > > > > > > > If you are associating this response with my last post, I see no > > > > contradiction. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding. The ‘reasoning’ > > > I > > > > criticized had to do with how I interpreted your words > > > > > > > > “..It would be simply a state of coma.Go and ask for general > > > > anaesthesia for a few minutes, that would be your self- > > > > realisation. ..” – RP > > > > > > > > Now, perhaps here it is I who don’t quite interpret your meaning > > > > correctly. Only you will be the judge of that. Your above words, to > > > > me, imply no awareness when self-realized…only “a state of coma”. > > > From > > > > what little experience I have here and what I have read from those > > > who > > > > have taken this path over the millennia, while we are living and > > > > associated with a specific body (not dead), even though specific > > > > states of consciousness can come and go where one is not attached to > > > > ‘self’ nor appearances, there must be and is a consubstantial > > > > recognition of both the absolute (no words/concepts) as well as the > > > > “I”…that which thinks, has emotions etc. > > > > > > > > “… But in that case also I am right, You will become one with God > > > when > > > > you get salvation and then there will be no individual I , as far as > > > > you will be concerned. If I am not mistaken , you at least believe in > > > > predeterminism , like me.” – RP > > > > > > > > Many issues in this small set of words RP…first, I’m not so sure that > > > > the issue of being ‘right’ is that important to me here. I wanted to > > > > discuss and share with you. We may not agree and this is fine. We in > > > > fact may be fully agreeing and don’t know it due to the use of > > > > subjective words and terms. There are many possibilities here. As to > > > > one becoming ‘one with god’…I find that to be the case for everyone … > > > > primarily demonstrated by divine omnipresence. Now, the term of > > > > salvation doesn’t seem to enter into the discussion for me…at least > > > > not when it comes to terminology. Perhaps you can elucidate here. As > > > > to an ‘individual I’, we are in agreement in one sense at least. I > > > > find that the common notion of ‘I’, ego etc., in any ultimate sense > > > is > > > > not real. However, since I and apparently most other human beings do > > > > notice and recognize a ‘self’, whether it is mere appearances or not, > > > > to ignore ‘I’ doesn’t seem to be the proper path to take. Lastly, as > > > > to predeterminism, in one sense, yes, we share a similar view if not > > > > the same. That is such a large topic that I won’t delve into it at > > > > this time though. > > > > > > > > On May 1, 8:22 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM , most people don't want to die or have so many desires like > > > > > psychic powers that they make so much of consciousness. In my > > > view > > > > > there is only God, Atma Or Pure Consciousness. We are all just > > > his > > > > > reflections or have emanated from him. Maybe my reasoning is > > > awry and > > > > > you and others are right. But in that case also I am right, You > > > will > > > > > become one with God when you get salvation and then there will > > > be no > > > > > individual I , as far as you will be concerned. If I am not > > > mistaken , > > > > > you at least believe in predeterminism , like me. > > > > > On May 1, 4:57 pm, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > “…There would be no I as that also requires > > > > > > some sort of sense. There would be no thought as it would > > > require a > > > > > > memory of words or sound. It would be simply a state of > > > coma…” – RP > > > > > > > > > > RP, thanks for responding to what I believe was my post. > > > > > > > > > > With that assumption, the above part of your notes makes > > > some very > > > > > > large assumptions that do not appear to be the case. Yes, > > > I can > > > > > > understand how they make a kind of ‘sense’ on first > > > glance; however, > > > > > > somehow you appear to assume that all of > > > consciousness/awareness > > > > > > involves thought and/or sense perception. I and others do > > > not find > > > > > > this to be the case. > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 8:45 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just contemplate for a moment what comprises > > > consciousness. You are > > > > > > > conscious of sight, sound, scent, taste , your body > > > through sense of > > > > > > > feeling. In your mind you are aware of these very > > > things through your > > > > > > > memory of them. If your memory and the centres of > > > these senses cease > > > > > > > to work for some time what would be there in your > > > awareness. > > > > > > > Consciousness then would be aware of itself. There > > > would be no shape > > > > > > > or a feeling of some object. There would be no I as > > > that also requires > > > > > > > some sort of sense. There would be no thought as it > > > would require a > > > > > > > memory of words or sound. It would be simply a state > > > of coma.Go and > > > > > > > ask for general anaesthesia for a few minutes, that > > > would be your self- > > > > > > > realisation. > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 10:29 am, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness observing itself is nothing new. > > > Being able to find > > > > > > > > cultural analytical memes as correlates too is > > > nothing new while > > > > > > > > looking at/for the truth. The process is at once > > > complex (as in ‘the > > > > > > > > many’) and simple (as in ‘the one’). This is no > > > contradiction. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 9:20 am, Pat > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 Apr, 16:31, DarkwaterBlight > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No pat you did not insult my > > > intelligence as it is hard to insult > > > > > > > > > > someone who is, I actually have that > > > in my profile here, Title; > > > > > > > > > > Working Slob... I must say that you > > > are a true character, Yahoo, > > > LMAO! > > > > > > > > > > I always thought it might be > > > pronounced Yaowee, as in if you had > > > > > > > > > > touched a hot stove! Consequently, > > > most people after doing so, > > > scream, > > > > > > > > > > hollar and shout > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
