I am reminded of the story of Babel by this thread.מגדל בבל Migdal Bavel In Hebrew ond برج بابل Burj Babil in Arabic or the Tower of Babel in English was supposed to be a marvelous tower "with it's top in the heavens" as it has been translated.However there is much speculation in how the original text has been translated as the language of the time has been virtually lost. עם זה למעלה בשמים and עם זה מלמעלה הקוסמוס in Hebrew are "with it's top in the heavens" and "with it's top to the cosmos" and in Arabic they are مع انها قمة في السماوات and مع انها قمة في الكون respectively.But the original text was found on the Sumerian Tablets and also were passed on in several Akkadian dialects. In both Hebrew and Arabic the words "Heavens" and "Cosmos" are indistinguisable.But in English the meanings are entirely different or at least have different implications... There are many takes on the story and one I found particularly interesting(peculiar) but could tie many of our disscusions together. Here's the link; http://sabbathrock.com/tablets.aspx
On May 13, 9:06 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 13 May, 08:05, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree there is an objective reality but it is filtered by the mind > > for various reasons and becomes something else which seems true to > > that person. It's a device used in film and literature- including non- > > fiction!- and explains the problems with eye witness accounts in > > trials. I am interested in the filter process. Plus the reality > > doesn't affect much beyond itself if it has several versions and > > interpretations so it becomes a lonely truth. > > Lonely? Even if it is remembered by so many in so many different > ways? Perhaps it's an overcrowded truth, that is, a truth crowded out > by the various misperceptions OF it. So, both lonely and crowded. > Thus, objective truth + subjective perception = paradoxical truth. It > could well be. > > > > > On May 12, 9:37 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 12 May, 15:15, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Then I think the term would be self-taught which is often necessary > > > > and more beneficial than being brainwashed, blinded or befuddled. I am > > > > ever curious about the "reversal of fortune" and how it plays out in > > > > lives. I am also amazed at the different perception and memories > > > > family/others have of the same event. > > > > Yet the continuum will always hold the exact events--a permanent > > > record of exactly what happened. > > > > > On May 11, 6:34 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 11 May, 09:49, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have seen too many surprise turn-arounds to think money is the > > > > > > measure of anything and no one knows how they will end their days. > > > > > > Plus all babies are born pretty much the same, aren't they? Why not > > > > > > say your parents were dirt poor or filthy rich or whatever? > > > > > > I think Slip was saying that his personal wealth was gained through > > > > > self discovery and that he really wasn't speaking of material wealth. > > > > > Unless I read his heart incorrectly. > > > > > > > On May 10, 8:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Really dude, stop whatever you are doing, get a grip, we don't > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > any "Need" to be "Supreme" and there is no drive to become > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > more than what we are except by people like you that constantly > > > > > > > push > > > > > > > this idea on the world. > > > > > > > The universe is just there, accept it. > > > > > > > You want a God because of all your own personal inadequacies > > > > > > > which you > > > > > > > want to attribute to something "out there". > > > > > > > There is nothing out there except other planets, stars and other > > > > > > > theories of strings and things. > > > > > > > Take control of yourself and your world because that is all you > > > > > > > have, > > > > > > > from birth to death. > > > > > > > Stop trying to comprehend the "HIM" when there is no him. > > > > > > > There is only you and the 24 hour period of time you have to spend > > > > > > > your day. > > > > > > > Stop wasting your days worrying about anything beyond your own > > > > > > > personal space. > > > > > > > I was born in abject poverty and the day I discovered "ME", was > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > day I realized my richness. There is nothing out there that is > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > than what is within "YOU". > > > > > > > I am happy to say that I am wealthy today because I put stock > > > > > > > into my > > > > > > > person and not into some fantasy deity who is all knowing and a > > > > > > > vindictive control freak, and of course to whom I was supposed to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > 10% of my earnings to which actually goes to the purveyors of such > > > > > > > dead meat. > > > > > > > Keep falling for the bullshit and that is what you are going to > > > > > > > wind > > > > > > > up in. > > > > > > > > On May 7, 9:53 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > God is the mind which concieves the universe , He is the mind > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > runs it, and He is the mind which destroys it. He does not see > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > manner in which we see each other and He does not act in the > > > > > > > > manner in > > > > > > > > which we act. His awareness and action is transcendental in > > > > > > > > nature. In > > > > > > > > our vanity we may pretend to comprehend Him, but we do not see > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > accept the fact that our intelligence is not infinite but only > > > > > > > > a few > > > > > > > > grades above that of animals. We have to just look at animals to > > > > > > > > realise that , after all our understanding also is finite. We > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > learning and growing day by day , but we are far from being > > > > > > > > Supreme.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
