On 12 May, 16:06, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > Field Effects > > "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing > There is a field. > I’ll meet you there. > When the soul lies down in that grass, > The world is too full to talk about. > Ideas, language, even the phrase each other > Doesn’t make any sense." > > - Jelaluddin Rumi >
Yes, to Rumi, a Sufi, the phrase "each other" wouldn't make sense, as most Sufis are monistic, thus recognising NO other and only recognising Allah and His manifestations through extension. Good quote!! To quote the last line from "The Jewel of the Nile", said by Danny DeVito: "Sufis Rule!" > I found this quote in a paper I am reading on collective > consciousness. Seems to fit well in this thread, yes?Here's the link > to the paper by Robert Kenny; > > http://www.collectivewisdominitiative.org/papers/kenny_science.htm > > On May 12, 10:38 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 12 May, 15:32, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I need to pray to a personal God- not Jesus or the Holy Ghost or some > > > mathematical possibility. In this regard, I suppose it is akin to the > > > psalms. I certainly had years of Catholic ritual but like many friends > > > fell away from attendance when the Latin Mass was replaced with > > > vernacular services, guitars, advances from strangers, etc. Maybe > > > there was a Jewish link that was covered over- who knows? At any rate, > > > I no longer feel comfortable going to any church- and I have tried in > > > the past- protestant, unitarian, Catholic catechumen classes= no dice. > > > My prayers assume the unconditional love of God- that's what Hobbes > > > taught me. > > > And it's a vital part of Islam. > > > > On May 11, 8:57 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I believe that Slip is coming from his own 'cosmic' vantage point, so > > > > to speak.My personal beliefs always come into play when expressing > > > > myself and, though not always agreed upon by others, they are no less > > > > relevant to our cosmic co-existance. The fact that I can relate to his > > > > way of thinking is in no way contrary to my theistic veiws. It is only > > > > natural to to look to our experiences to help support our beliefs and > > > > when I look to my own I can see times when there was serious doubt > > > > about the existance of any God. I may have scraped the whole notion > > > > had not other thing occured to re-enforce what I already 'knew'. There > > > > are many 'reasons' not to believe but the reasons to believe far out > > > > weigh them for me. > > > > > On May 11, 7:34 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 11 May, 09:49, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have seen too many surprise turn-arounds to think money is the > > > > > > measure of anything and no one knows how they will end their days. > > > > > > Plus all babies are born pretty much the same, aren't they? Why not > > > > > > say your parents were dirt poor or filthy rich or whatever? > > > > > > I think Slip was saying that his personal wealth was gained through > > > > > self discovery and that he really wasn't speaking of material wealth. > > > > > Unless I read his heart incorrectly. > > > > > > > On May 10, 8:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Really dude, stop whatever you are doing, get a grip, we don't > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > any "Need" to be "Supreme" and there is no drive to become > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > more than what we are except by people like you that constantly > > > > > > > push > > > > > > > this idea on the world. > > > > > > > The universe is just there, accept it. > > > > > > > You want a God because of all your own personal inadequacies > > > > > > > which you > > > > > > > want to attribute to something "out there". > > > > > > > There is nothing out there except other planets, stars and other > > > > > > > theories of strings and things. > > > > > > > Take control of yourself and your world because that is all you > > > > > > > have, > > > > > > > from birth to death. > > > > > > > Stop trying to comprehend the "HIM" when there is no him. > > > > > > > There is only you and the 24 hour period of time you have to spend > > > > > > > your day. > > > > > > > Stop wasting your days worrying about anything beyond your own > > > > > > > personal space. > > > > > > > I was born in abject poverty and the day I discovered "ME", was > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > day I realized my richness. There is nothing out there that is > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > than what is within "YOU". > > > > > > > I am happy to say that I am wealthy today because I put stock > > > > > > > into my > > > > > > > person and not into some fantasy deity who is all knowing and a > > > > > > > vindictive control freak, and of course to whom I was supposed to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > 10% of my earnings to which actually goes to the purveyors of such > > > > > > > dead meat. > > > > > > > Keep falling for the bullshit and that is what you are going to > > > > > > > wind > > > > > > > up in. > > > > > > > > On May 7, 9:53 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > God is the mind which concieves the universe , He is the mind > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > runs it, and He is the mind which destroys it. He does not see > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > manner in which we see each other and He does not act in the > > > > > > > > manner in > > > > > > > > which we act. His awareness and action is transcendental in > > > > > > > > nature. In > > > > > > > > our vanity we may pretend to comprehend Him, but we do not see > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > accept the fact that our intelligence is not infinite but only > > > > > > > > a few > > > > > > > > grades above that of animals. We have to just look at animals to > > > > > > > > realise that , after all our understanding also is finite. We > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > learning and growing day by day , but we are far from being > > > > > > > > Supreme.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
