Manfranco, I don't mind at all, besides I think you were here first. :) There seemed to be some similarity between FSM and Cthulhu (the octopus).

Before answering your questions directly I would like to give you an idea what I think of 'beliefs', as there could be many kinds or we could have two very different ideas of what they are. I have personal experiences that inform beliefs that I don't have words for, and the ones that do I usually seek to make an accord with reality in a more universal sense. So I allow a long leash for my 'romantic' side, and the analytical looks more like a meta-battlefield.

Belief in absolutes is incomprehensible to me, I can no longer associate any sane expression to that. I am trying to make peace with the world of potentials I've found myself in, and my association with it. This is all difficult to describe, as I've been losing the distinction between belief and disbelief. Many of the symbols and ideas in the world have been stepping stones for me. I am speechless when confronted with this question, not being evasive, there are no convenient answers at my disposal but I can assure you somehow I manage to believe in many things both great and small.

I could conceive of a cosmos wherein the FSM and any arbitrary combination of other beliefs also reside. I consider it all 'narratives of truth' at this time. If it makes sense to you, that makes one of us. :)

On 5/20/2010 6:26 PM, Manfraco Frank Elder wrote:
Hi Ash! Your link is very colourful and fun, but it seems to me a
direct attack to God and all religious beliefs; are you sure you are
on the right tracks? Anyhow, I hope you don't mind my coming in these
discussions, as I would like to ask you a question about beliefs; Do
you believe in any god? And if you don't why? As I am under the
impression that you don't believe in anything; Am I right?
Greetings
Manfraco

On May 19, 10:12 am, Ash<[email protected]>  wrote:
'Obey your noodley master' -http://www.venganza.org/materials/#flyers

That was Lovecraft right?

On 5/18/2010 7:37 PM, Chris Jenkins wrote:



/Ia Ia/! Yog Sothoth
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ash<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>  wrote:
     Please forgive our ignorance Gabby.>:)
     FF may be referring to the belligerent Demiurge (Yaldabaoth?)
     presiding over this universe, and it's acolytes. Purely speculative.
     On 5/18/2010 1:18 PM, gabbydott wrote:
         Pat is mistaking himself for God, but he's not the only one here,
         which makes them bearable.
         On 18 Mai, 16:16, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]
         <mailto:[email protected]>>    wrote:
             I must be missing something here FF... Who's the
             determinist conmen
             that "we" are mistaking? I also have no feeling that God's
             understanding is anything less than infinite. The illusion
             that the so
             called "haves" have created, has been a veil of
             perception. I think I
             can agree on that point provided I am understanding you
             correctly.
             Would you care to continue in your discourse and elaborate?
             On May 16, 10:18 pm, Fiercely Free<[email protected]
             <mailto:[email protected]>>    wrote:
                 Pat,
                      God's understanding is infinite. There's no doubt
                 about that.
                 When we mistake some determinist conmen for omnipotent
                 entity, we get
                 the feeling that God's understanding is not infinite.
                 This ignorance
                 gives rise to illusion which, in turn, prompts us to
                 assume that
                 opinion of "haves" represents the entire cosmic
                 awareness...
                 On May 7, 8:09 pm, Pat<[email protected]
                 <mailto:[email protected]>>    wrote:
                     On 7 May, 15:53, RP<[email protected]
                     <mailto:[email protected]>>    wrote:
                         God is the mind which concieves the universe ,
                         He is the mind which
                         runs it, and He is the mind which destroys it.
                         He does not see in the
                         manner in which we see each other and He does
                         not act in the manner in
                         which we act. His awareness and action is
                         transcendental in nature. In
                         our vanity we may pretend to comprehend Him,
                         but we do not see or
                         accept the fact that our intelligence is not
                         infinite but only a few
                         grades above that of animals. We have to just
                         look at animals to
                         realise that , after all our understanding
                         also is finite. We are
                         learning and growing day by day , but we are
                         far from being Supreme.
                     Well, He does see as we do, but He also sees in a
                     way we do not.  When
                     you look at something, in reality, it is Him that
                     is seeing (and
                     hearing and every other sensation any of us
                     sense).  And His ability
                     to multiprocess all our awarenesses (and the
                     awareness of all living
                     things!) is a part of what defines His
                     transcendant abilities.  But
                     there are more (unseen) places than just this 4-D
                     universe and His
                     wareness includes all that, as well.  You're also
                     right about our
                     level of consciousness being not that much above
                     other animals.  It is
                     our conceit that leads us to believe we are far
                     greater than they
                     are.  But we're not.  God can think like a tree
                     (and, in fact thinks
                     like each tree, as each tree's awareness is, in
                     fact, His), yet no
                     animal can.  I'm not sure that God's understanding
                     is infinite, but it
                     is comprehensive, that is, it covers everything,
                     though there may be a
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